Microdosing for developing social confidence?

[Jannes]

So when I feel a lot of social fear and do psychedelics my fear increases. If I want to let go of that fear is it beneficial to continue microcoding so actually exposing myself to that increased amount of fear because I face it or could I program anxiety into my mind? Dont want to do anything counterproductive. 

[Sugarcoat]

@Jannes does it actually increase or does your awareness of it simply increase?

[NoSelfSelf]

Its called self-confidence for a reason, using something to depend on is precisely what decreses self confidence,im refering to not use anything if the goal is self confidence,also nothing outside of you can give you lasting confidence...

[Jacob Morres]

When I microdosed lsd I found some days to be amazing for socializing and some days to be more anxiety ridden

Tho I saw anxiety ridden days more like it coming up for me to process 

 

[Jannes]

16 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

@Jannes does it actually increase or does your awareness of it simply increase?

good question actually I dont know.

What I can say is that I took more action then other times when sober when I didn't have that amount of fear (aware of it or not).

[Jannes]

12 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Its called self-confidence for a reason, using something to depend on is precisely what decreses self confidence,im refering to not use anything if the goal is self confidence,also nothing outside of you can give you lasting confidence...

I dont think it's so straight forward. Psychedelics can have great healing effects. 

Some people heal deep social anxiety with one trip of MDMA. 

It depends on the drug. Yeah doing alcohol won't make you confident but on psychedelics you are actually aware of what happens. The action you took and the effect it got, you were actually hyper conscious of that. 

 

[Jannes]

12 hours ago, Jacob Morres said:

When I microdosed lsd I found some days to be amazing for socializing and some days to be more anxiety ridden

Tho I saw anxiety ridden days more like it coming up for me to process 

 

Yeah I get that. In my case seeing how much anxiety I had socializing wasn't a bad thing, I needed to see that for my development. 

[Sugarcoat]

8 hours ago, Jannes said:

good question actually I dont know.

What I can say is that I took more action then other times when sober when I didn't have that amount of fear (aware of it or not).

Mm it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes because as the mind is less “dense” (which psychedelics seem to do idk tho haven’t tried) it seems more subtle things can be experienced more strongly but it’s actually just that there is less overall noise and more openness 

if its able to connect to your sober experience then I guess it’s helpful otherwise it’s just temporary effect. But ultimately for me I kinda saw how this social anxiety was so independent that even the attachment to something as “common sense” as the idea  that you need to push yourself into social situation to overcome it,  is actually just creating friction within you and contributing to maintaining this “barrier” . 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Sugarcoat

[Razard86]

On 7/31/2023 at 9:58 PM, Jannes said:

So when I feel a lot of social fear and do psychedelics my fear increases. If I want to let go of that fear is it beneficial to continue microcoding so actually exposing myself to that increased amount of fear because I face it or could I program anxiety into my mind? Dont want to do anything counterproductive. 

The purpose of psychedelics is to awaken you to your true nature. If you use it over and over it can get rid of the fear, but it could also create a new fear. Some are not ready to accept their true nature and what it means. Awakening to your true nature is DEATH. It is the death of the fantasy of what you thought was true. So be careful with this unless you are ready to accept your nature.

Edited August 2, 2023 by Razard86

[NoSelfSelf]

@Jannes Can you explain me the process of how does it heal you in social activities? (Your process behind it)

i want to hear your perspective since mine is that psychadelics wont teach you game if you dont know what it is, which i can argue is the reason why is there persistent social anxiety present in 98% of people leaving 2% of hard cases...

Edited August 2, 2023 by NoSelfSelf

[Jannes]

On 2.8.2023 at 8:22 AM, Sugarcoat said:

Mm it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes because as the mind is less “dense” (which psychedelics seem to do idk tho haven’t tried) it seems more subtle things can be experienced more strongly but it’s actually just that there is less overall noise and more openness 

Yeah I think that's a good way to describe it although it's hard to verbalize the psychedelic state. More incredible subtle things can open up to you for sure and the denseness of many elements in your mind loosens up because it gets recontextualized by being made more conscious. Fear for example becomes less personal, so the state is not really, "I have fear" to why "I have fear because...".

On 2.8.2023 at 8:22 AM, Sugarcoat said:

if its able to connect to your sober experience then I guess it’s helpful otherwise it’s just temporary effect. But ultimately for me I kinda saw how this social anxiety was so independent that even the attachment to something as “common sense” as the idea  that you need to push yourself into social situation to overcome it,  is actually just creating friction within you and contributing to maintaining this “barrier” . 

I might have to look more into the science of psychedelic therapy. People use it to change their behavior so it probably has at least decent use. 

hmm yeah. The solution is intensive self love probably. I always think that hypothetically a person who watches porn, doesnt socialize and has a shitty job would still be socially magnetic if that person would stay in an intense state of self love. 

[Jannes]

On 2.8.2023 at 9:45 AM, Razard86 said:

The purpose of psychedelics is to awaken you to your true nature. If you use it over and over it can get rid of the fear, but it could also create a new fear. Some are not ready to accept their true nature and what it means. Awakening to your true nature is DEATH. It is the death of the fantasy of what you thought was true. So be careful with this unless you are ready to accept your nature.

It's just a microdose bro. I haven taken 20x that amount and didn't wake up to my true nature yet.

[Jannes]

20 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Jannes Can you explain me the process of how does it heal you in social activities? (Your process behind it)

i want to hear your perspective since mine is that psychadelics wont teach you game if you dont know what it is, which i can argue is the reason why is there persistent social anxiety present in 98% of people leaving 2% of hard cases...

In my eyes the end goal of game is to be as authentic as you can possibly be. The problem is that people fear being their authentic self because they fear that their authentic self is being rejected. Psychedelic put me in a state where I am naturally more authentic because I have less of a personal grip on my behavior and I am at a higher state of self love and acceptance which allows for more action because I could catch myself more easily with that added self love. So this improved behavior is good by itself but I can also take the feedback which I definitely got conscious of and integrate it which makes me learn that its okay to be my authentic self and that my authentic self is magnetic. 

I even think that if you would say that you are scared as fuck, completely authentically and with a lot of self love that that would be proper game. 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Jannes Well you are on the right path but not hitting the mark completely, because if you have game you are not scared as fuck, lack of game in this case being yourself fully, like you said you wont be scared because this is who i am, who likes it or hate it is not my business is me being true to myself...

Your authentic self could suck right now and thats okay thats why game is important to build yourself ,finding things in you that is close to home and if psychadelics helps in that regard then thats great ?

If you think you not good enough is because you dont know yourself...

If you have recommendation of psychadelic that works well with bringing things out of you since game is vastly about self exploration,you can say... keeping in mind microdosing psychadelics kills me, get me out of my body into infinity ? dont have a chance to explore me on ego level...

[flowboy]

@Jannes  Do this on a microdose:

 

[pablo_aka_god]

you would be a pioneer in this OP, I've never heard of someone working on game while microdosing. maybe good or not, only way to know is by gathering data of people who tried it. If you keep doing it I would love to hear about your journey

Edited August 3, 2023 by pablo_aka_god

[pablo_aka_god]

it sounds weird to me that your fear increases on microdosis. Think whether it increases in a good and healing way or in an on unproductive way

[Jannes]

21 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Jannes Well you are on the right path but not hitting the mark completely, because if you have game you are not scared as fuck, lack of game in this case being yourself fully, like you said you wont be scared because this is who i am, who likes it or hate it is not my business is me being true to myself...

Your authentic self could suck right now and thats okay thats why game is important to build yourself ,finding things in you that is close to home and if psychadelics helps in that regard then thats great ?

If you think you not good enough is because you dont know yourself...

If you have recommendation of psychadelic that works well with bringing things out of you since game is vastly about self exploration,you can say... keeping in mind microdosing psychadelics kills me, get me out of my body into infinity ? dont have a chance to explore me on ego level...

Thanks! Somehow I think I had these realizations at some point but mush have forgot along the way. 

You could take a microdose of a microdose .

[Jannes]

16 hours ago, pablo_aka_god said:

you would be a pioneer in this OP, I've never heard of someone working on game while microdosing. maybe good or not, only way to know is by gathering data of people who tried it. If you keep doing it I would love to hear about your journey

It's either a bad look for PUAs or coincidence I think. Bad look because you can't really manipulate on psychedelics (which seems to be the game of some PUAs: manipulation instead of honest game) at least that's how it is for me. 

16 hours ago, pablo_aka_god said:

it sounds weird to me that your fear increases on microdosis. Think whether it increases in a good and healing way or in an on unproductive way

It only increases if I have really strong fear. Small fear or mid fear often get negated its only when I have ver strong fear when microdoses increase that. 

Well it still gets me to do action so that's a plus. 

[Javfly33]

I don't recommend it. It will just make it worse ime. But you can try it for a few times , everyone is different