Tate Brothers will End up in prison(most likely). Evidence is conclusive.

[Osaid]

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This is not your average narcissist.

He is 99%ile narcissist.

I disagree. This is the average narcissist. It's just that most narcissism happens behind closed doors in very personal situations, so you don't get to see that this is how they all tend to operate. They all conduct it with the same methods of manipulation, it's how psychologists detect narcissists in the first place. Of course their specific ideas of how to pursue the narcissism is different, but the structure is the same.

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Osaid

[Buck Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Osaid said:

I disagree. This is the average narcissist. It's just that most narcissism happens behind closed doors in very personal situations, so you don't get to see that this is how they all tend to operate. They all conduct it with the same methods of manipulation, it's how psychologists detect narcissists in the first place. Of course their specific ideas of how to pursue the narcissism is different, but the structure is the same.

 

There are levels to narcissism and manipulation. 

[Osaid]

1 minute ago, Enlightement said:

There are levels to narcissism and manipulation. 

I am referring to someone diagnosed with NPD

Edited July 27, 2023 by Osaid

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Osaid said:

I am referring to someone diagnosed with NPD

Most narcissists will be diagnosed with NPD. 

[Consept]

I'm not even sure it is just narcissism, going by the wats app messages and war room texts I would say it's actually toward sociopathy, especially when you consider there's been no accountability or remorse so far. 

I also have a theory on how he manipulated his fans. If you look at pimps their main tactic is to see what the potential 'hoe' is lacking in their life, could be love for example but could also be as low as food or shelter or protection, depends on the womans situation. The pimp then promises to fulfill this need but in doing that gets the woman to make him money through sex. He never actually fulfils any needs properly the whole game is giving the illusion that he is especially the love one, which of course Tate does well. This is the con. 

Tate did the same thing with his fans, he directly targeted young men who were lacking in positive male role models, who didn't have purpose or masculine energy, who maybe feel they don't have much control over their lives. This is a massive market, which we could blame society for, but people like Tate have correctly identified it and given them exactly what they want, flexing a flashy lifestyle, telling them they don't need society and they can make it on their own, telling them how easy it is to get women, money, good body etc. 

But it's the same bait and switch, Tate promises all these things and because of this and the attitude he portrays, these men and boys fall in love with him. When they fall in love with him, he's able to extract money from them. The beauty of it is you can be broke and still pay him $50 a month or you can have a little more money or take out a loan and give him 5k for one of his events or 8k to join his war room. What he teaches, especially for the $50 a month is not how he actually made money, as we know he made money being a pimp, being in with the Romanian mafia setting up casinos and probably other dark stuff. 

The fans saying he's not taking advantage of the women are the very ones being taken advantage of, at least the women did make some money, these guys are just giving money directly to Tate. This system is so efficient for Tate he didn't even need to carry on with the webcam business. If you're giving money to Tate you're being pimped. 

[Leo Gura]

My gf was not dysfunctional nor toxic, just very self-absorbed and had an inflated self-image.

Tate's behavior is not merely nariccistic it is sociopathic and criminal. He's very exploitative with no empathy towards who he exploits.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Osaid]

Looking at the "differences" section of this article, I still say narcissist.

https://www.talkspace.com/mental-health/conditions/articles/sociopath-vs-narcissist/#:~:text=“The main difference between sociopathy,but isn't always dangerous.

Despite his lack of respect and empathy towards certain human beings, it all still hinges on his own moral structure of being a real man and being part of a brotherhood or whatever. I think his relationship with his brother and dad are as genuine as his emotions are gonna get, and I think he really does look up to his dad (who was professionally diagnosed as a narcissist).

I don't think he would torture someone for fun as a sociopath would. At the very least, he would first justify it with some kind of narcissistic moral justification that makes him guilt-free in his mind. He also goes through a lot to maintain his public image, whereas a sociopath wouldn't care as much.

[Consept]

7 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Looking at the "differences" section of this article, I still say narcissist.

https://www.talkspace.com/mental-health/conditions/articles/sociopath-vs-narcissist/#:~:text=“The main difference between sociopathy,but isn't always dangerous.

Despite his lack of respect and empathy towards certain human beings, it all still hinges on his own moral structure of being a real man and being part of a brotherhood or whatever. I think his relationship with his brother and dad are as genuine as his emotions are gonna get, and I think he really does look up to his dad (who was professionally diagnosed as a narcissist).

I don't think he would torture someone for fun as a sociopath would. At the very least, he would first justify it with some kind of narcissistic moral justification that makes him guilt-free in his mind. He also goes through a lot to maintain his public image, whereas a sociopath wouldn't care as much.

I'd disagree, I think he does lean toward sociopathy. In the article they say a narcissist would know when to stop and wouldn't take it to the point where the consequences would be negative for them. Tate has clearly gone past this and didn't even see it as wrong, he celebrated and tried to teach others how to do it. 

He can have a moral structure but a serial killer can have a moral structure, doesn't mean they're not psychopathic. Also I'm not even sure he believes the brotherhood thing, I think it's a play to get more men to sign up to his war room. 

If you look at his webcam business he not only exploited women but also men ruthlessly and with lies about meeting the girls, then laughed about it publicly on podcasts. I think even narcissists could see that's messed up. 

[Butters]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My gf was not dysfunctional nor toxic, just very self-absorbed and had an inflated self-image.

Then you probably don't wanna use the word narcicist in this context.

You can watch Dr. Ramani on YouTube. She talks about narcicists and their tactics. If what she exposes rings true, you're dealing with a narcissist, and it's very toxic. 

[something_else]

8 hours ago, Consept said:

If you look at his webcam business he not only exploited women but also men ruthlessly and with lies about meeting the girls, then laughed about it publicly on podcasts. I think even narcissists could see that's messed up. 

Here is an example of this happening for reference, posting as it's one of my favourite infamous Tate clips where he admits to some BS while trying to show off:

 

[Micca]

They will be shut down and locked up 

[Danioover9000]

@Osaid

On 27/07/2023 at 7:00 AM, Osaid said:

Looking at the "differences" section of this article, I still say narcissist.

https://www.talkspace.com/mental-health/conditions/articles/sociopath-vs-narcissist/#:~:text=“The main difference between sociopathy,but isn't always dangerous.

Despite his lack of respect and empathy towards certain human beings, it all still hinges on his own moral structure of being a real man and being part of a brotherhood or whatever. I think his relationship with his brother and dad are as genuine as his emotions are gonna get, and I think he really does look up to his dad (who was professionally diagnosed as a narcissist).

I don't think he would torture someone for fun as a sociopath would. At the very least, he would first justify it with some kind of narcissistic moral justification that makes him guilt-free in his mind. He also goes through a lot to maintain his public image, whereas a sociopath wouldn't care as much.

 Reminds me of a VICE reporter getting beat up in his boxing gym when they visited him, and when he had to fight the other guys Andrew Tate was laughing in glee. I'm intuiting that it may be both narcissism and sociopathy.

[Bobby_2021]

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Reminds me of a VICE reporter getting beat up in his boxing gym when they visited him, and when he had to fight the other guys Andrew Tate was laughing in glee. I'm intuiting that it may be both narcissism and sociopathy.

Do you have any clips/evidence/source for this? 

[Consept]

13 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Osaid

 Reminds me of a VICE reporter getting beat up in his boxing gym when they visited him, and when he had to fight the other guys Andrew Tate was laughing in glee. I'm intuiting that it may be both narcissism and sociopathy.

It's in the vice doc below, not sure of the time stamp. Tbf it's hard to interpret exactly how Tate felt about the guy going in the ring to fight, could be a number of things but I wouldn't really use it as evidence of sociopathy, but I think there a lot of better examples of his sociopathy, even doing the doc in the first place knowing the potential against you indicates narcissism. Sociopathy might be the things he does to control the girls ie knowingly lying to them about their reputations or isolating them from friends and family etc.

 

[Osaid]

6 hours ago, Consept said:

Sociopathy might be the things he does to control the girls ie knowingly lying to them about their reputations or isolating them from friends and family etc.

Narcissists control and gaslight people all the time, and they also like to isolate people into their own "virtual reality" or "bubble."

Cults are often started by narcissists. Common cult mind control technique is isolating you from friends and family. Cult dynamics are very similar to the narcissist dynamics on a small scale, it's just on a bigger scale, and so it leads to a cult.

I have suspicions that the War Room is a cult, at the higher echelons at least. 

Edited August 4, 2023 by Osaid

[StarStruck]

@thenondualtankie @Phil King @Bobby_2021

I hate to be that guy who says it…..

But I said it

 

[Consept]

@StarStruck

Before you get excited, the judge just doesn't see them as a flight risk, they still have to check in with authorities and can't leave the city. It has no bearing on what the outcome of the case will be, so id wait til the court case before saying I told you so 

[Leo Gura]

It's hard to say. I don't have a good sense of the Romanian legal system, what is normal and what is not. All I know is what Tate himself has bragged about doing, which is quite damning. But who knows if they have enough hard evidence to convict him? That's iffy. Convicting Trump for his crimes has also proven very challenging.

Edited August 4, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, StarStruck said:

@thenondualtankie @Phil King @Bobby_2021

I hate to be that guy who says it…..

But I said it

 

My G, rule number 1 is to not listen to a compulsive liar. He will only fool you. Take it for granted. Everything Tate says is a lie. Get that.

As usual the liar lied to you.

 

 

 

This is totally how Romanian law works.

First the DIICOT needs hard evidence to arrest them. The investigation started on April 2022.

Once they saw that the evidence was sufficient, then arrested him on Dec 29, 2022. Then what happened is according to Romanian law.

1. 3 months in prison.

2. 3 months in house arrest.

3. 60 days in judicial bail. They are allowed to roam around a specific county in Romania and they have to report to the authorities at predetermined times.

So the next hearing will be on October to check if they are behaving well like good boys that they need not be confined to house arrest. 

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVIDENCE BEING CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

It's possible that DIICOT is taking their time to build their case as strong as possible so that the 2 defendants are convinced after trial. 

If Tate tries to pull anything fishy by trying to escape then their freedom can be revoked. They will be confined to house arrest in case that happens. 

 

This is the same law which allows even attempted murders to roam free in a specific area until the trial. This is how it works.

Tate would report the incident completely twisted so that he can delude his own fans. It's sad that he is doing it. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Bobby_2021

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But who knows if they have enough hard evidence to convict him? That's iffy

All the screenshots that are circulating here are only from 300 pages out of  case file that has a few thousands of pages. 

Tate can't stop confessing about crime on his twitter account and courses that are available to the general public, now imagine how much more evidence DIICOT has. They are taking their time. They also have wiretapped his conversations in prison where he has instructed the war room members to fly the girls to Dubai and make videos saying that Tate was innocent. And she did make that video.

They have plenty of evidence as such.

Infact almost every girl that posted videos claiming Tate was innocent was forced to do it by his warrom members. 

In court anything can happen. But as of now, this is a very specific case with clear evidence pointing to the same.

Also Video evidence exists of them confessing to the crime which was not the case with Trump. That should amount to something definitely.

 

On 8/4/2023 at 0:55 AM, Consept said:

It's in the vice doc below, not sure of the time stamp. Tbf it's hard to interpret exactly how Tate felt about the guy going in the ring to fight, could be a number of things but I wouldn't really use it as evidence of sociopathy, but I think there a lot of better examples of his sociopathy, even doing the doc in the first place knowing the potential against you indicates narcissism. Sociopathy might be the things he does to control the girls ie knowingly lying to them about their reputations or isolating them from friends and family etc.

 

They treated his quite badly. They have no honour in treatment of guests.

But hey it's a dangerous cult.