Andrew Tate: there are no good / bad guys in wars

[Twentyfirst]

16 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

The irony is that you completely fell for the normie Low IQ “Truth” “redpill” divisive bullshit (more like COPEPILL) online groupthink… hook, line and sinker.  It’s not truth, you just got embarrassingly hoodwinked.  Owned lol.

Your boring contrarian views you just succinctly demonstrated in your post, basically sums you right up.  

I wish someone would draw a Venn diagram with one side looking for enlightenment/truth and how we could all co-exist in this life overlapping with idiots who type in “truth” in their google search bar lol.  You would get this forum in the middle.
 

You are talking as if I am being contrarian just for the ego boost. Plus how do you know you aren't the one that is contrarian? I am not traditional although I have traditional views but all this new shit is actually contrarian to what has always been traditionally speaking

If you watch Tate, whether you like him or not, and can't agree with a single point he says in a 3 hour discussion then something is wrong. Nobody is completely wrong. He does have some good points 

Even if you read The Way of the Superior Man there is nothing in there about toxic masculinity or if you have boundaries with a woman it means you are abusing them. And that book is flawless

[Twentyfirst]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have progressive views, but my progressivism is nothing ideological like TYT or the rest of their ilk. I have many criticisms of the far left and my politics is reasonable, balanced, and grounded in pragmatics.

I don't support cancel culture other than canceling people like Alex Jones, Trump, and Tate for violating clear terms of service.

So you don't think that there is a mass breeding of weak men among the new generations which results in unhappiness, loneliness, and confusion for both men and women and weakening of the nuclear family? 

Do you admit the existence of angry left woke mob that comes out of nowhere every time somebody on the other side simply stands up for what they believe by using virtue signaling? 

[something_else]

20 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

If you watch Tate, whether you like him or not, and can't agree with a single point he says in a 3 hour discussion then something is wrong. Nobody is completely wrong. He does have some good points

Even if 10% of what he says is valuable, you are setting this dude as a role model (video is time stamped, press play and watch like 30-40 seconds of it):

You’re delusional if you think you can watch him talk for 3 hours, conclude that he’s a good role model, and not absorb a good chunk of the toxic BS he talks about.

Don’t disrespect yourself by thinking that you need someone like Tate to teach you how to be a man.

Edited July 13, 2023 by something_else

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, something_else said:

Even if 10% of what he says is valuable, you are setting this dude as a role model (video is time stamped, press play and watch like 30-40 seconds of it):

You’re delusional if you think you can watch him talk for 3 hours, conclude that he’s a good role model, and not absorb a good chunk of the toxic BS he talks about.

Don’t disrespect yourself by thinking that you need someone like Tate to teach you how to be a man.

When did I say he is a role model. Let's think about this from a spiritual perspective. Ten years ago crazy insane people started telling little boys that they are terribly oppressive mysoginists  for literally no reason (one extreme) and now Tate is saying all that he says (another extreme) for "spiritual balance". In which case I say he has some good points.

There was a video where he said that in case there was an intruder in the home he would die protecting his women so if he wants a coffee she better not argue making it for him or else he would simply dismiss her and find another women. He was saying that it wasn't that much to ask and it is absurd that society is now demanding men to do traditional things but calling it abusive if he wants a woman to do traditional things. How can you argue with that point? A lot of his points are like that

If you agree with everything someone says you are in a cult. If you disagree with everything someone says you are in a cult. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

So you don't think that there is a mass breeding of weak men among the new generations which results in unhappiness, loneliness, and confusion for both men and women and weakening of the nuclear family?

To characterize all that as a "mass breeding of weak men" is quite a juvenile perspective.

The reason most men are weak is not due to leftist policy but because they don't want to do personal development work and they blindly follow their dumb friends or social media into wasting 1000s of hours of their lives on meaningless nonsense.

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Do you admit the existence of angry left woke mob that comes out of nowhere every time somebody on the other side simply stands up for what they believe by using virtue signaling? 

Again, your charactization of that situation is very biased. But yes, there are too many whiney leftists on social media these days who behave in foolish and cringey ways.

But Andrew Tate is not a good solution to those problems.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Leo Gura

[something_else]

35 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Ten years ago crazy insane people started telling little boys that they are terribly oppressive mysoginists  for literally no reason

This is an exaggeration caused by consuming too much culture war content online. You see this if you go on Twitter for parenting advice but largely in the real world this doesn’t happen.

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There was a video where he said that in case there was an intruder in the home he would die protecting his women so if he wants a coffee she better not argue making it for him or else he would simply dismiss her and find another women.

I’m sorry, I’m not normally this rude, but this is such an unhealthy way to think about relationships that it’s almost mind-boggling that you think this is an insightful POV.

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He was saying that it wasn't that much to ask and it is absurd that society is now demanding men to do traditional things but calling it abusive if he wants a woman to do traditional things. How can you argue with that point? A lot of his points are like that

This is kind of a straw man. Again if you follow culture wars online heavily you get  a skewed viewpoint on this things like this that doesn’t reflect reality.

Healthy relationships in the modern world are typically more balanced and not heavily focused on either partner filling the traditional roles exclusively, but instead both working together and contributing equally towards the tasks that previously would have been done by one partner.

The reason for this is that most women work now which means traditional gender roles in a relationship don’t really work for the day-to-day things like chores and finances. And chores and finances are far more relevant to the quality of a relationship than whether you’d kill someone for your partner.

No one reasonable is actually saying that a traditional relationship (where the man is the protector and earns all the money, and the women does all the chores) are bad. It’s just rare these days because women typically have careers, earn money, and live on their own for a period of time before marriage/settling down.

 

Edited July 13, 2023 by something_else

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

There was a video where he said that in case there was an intruder in the home he would die protecting his women so if he wants a coffee she better not argue making it for him or else he would simply dismiss her and find another women.

Textbook toxic relationship which is guaranteed to fail. You cannot dominate women like that. This kind of relationship advice will only create more Incels.

[Twentyfirst]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To characterize all that as a "mass breeding of weak men" is quite a juvenile perspective.

The reason most men are weak is not due to leftist policy but because they don't want to do personal development work and they blindly follow their dumb friends or social media into wasting 1000s of hours of their lives on meaningless nonsense.

Again, your charactization of that situation is very biased. But yes, there are too many whiney leftists on social media these days who behave in foolish and cringey ways.

But Andrew Tate is not a good solution to those problems.

I am sure leftist policy has at least some to do with it. Maybe the porn, video games, and not being ambitious is a result of feminism. Why would a man work so hard just to have his woman (if he is lucky enough to get one) argue with him at every turn and compete with him. Then eventually leave him take his money and kids. This needs to be addressed in this country eventually how long will people just say nah its mens fault 

Andrew Tate is a mainstream solution. Just like how Eckhart Tolle can ease the suffering of millions of people but only few of them come to full realization  

To be fair in David Deida terms he is still a 1st stage man so even the 2nd stage pussies are more "advanced" than him. 1st stage men and 3rd stage men are the only ones that actually get laid. 2nd stage men have to beg for starfish sex then get left on read. Obviously 2nd stagers are gonna regress back to 1st stage when they see Tate 

[Twentyfirst]

44 minutes ago, something_else said:

This is an exaggeration caused by consuming too much culture war content online. You see this if you go on Twitter for parenting advice but largely in the real world this doesn’t happen.

I’m sorry, I’m not normally this rude, but this is such an unhealthy way to think about relationships that it’s almost mind-boggling that you think this is an insightful POV.

This is kind of a straw man. Again if you follow culture wars online heavily you get  a skewed viewpoint on this things like this that doesn’t reflect reality.

Healthy relationships in the modern world are typically more balanced and not heavily focused on either partner filling the traditional roles exclusively, but instead both working together and contributing equally towards the tasks that previously would have been done by one partner.

The reason for this is that most women work now which means traditional gender roles in a relationship don’t really work for the day-to-day things like chores and finances. And chores and finances are far more relevant to the quality of a relationship than whether you’d kill someone for your partner.

No one reasonable is actually saying that a traditional relationship (where the man is the protector and earns all the money, and the women does all the chores) are bad. It’s just rare these days because women typically have careers, earn money, and live on their own for a period of time before marriage/settling down.

 

Bro nobody wants an equal partnership. The worst thing about equality is you don't need each other anymore and there is no polarity. No glue. What kind of pussy will let his woman argue with him about a simple cup of coffee when the man would literally GIVE UP HIS LIFE. This is why women demand so much now and don't let men have their own standards because you say it's okay for them to argue with you at every turn and you never ask for anything in return. In my experience you should delay rewards with women and they actually like you for it.

Make double money and offer her a stay at home job 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Maybe the porn, video games, and not being ambitious is a result of feminism.

It's quite disgusting to blame women for those 3 things.

Step #1 for being a good man: Take Responsibilty and stop blaming women for your own lack.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Tanz]

Tate's tactics of hooking in people is to point out people's inadequacies and project them to an external force or entity.  It is used in religion, medicine, politics, self-help, and pretty much everything else.  

The dude talks about weak men yet he benefits financially from them.  

[Twentyfirst]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Textbook toxic relationship which is guaranteed to fail. You cannot dominate women like that. This kind of relationship advice will only create more Incels.

Women are dominating men but nobody wants to admit it. And no not all women but most. Not all men but most

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It's quite disgusting to blame women for those 3 things.

Step #1 for being a good man: Take Responsibilty and stop blaming women for your own lack.

I am blaming the ideology. Feminism hurts women too

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Tanz said:

Tate's tactics of hooking in people is to point out people's inadequacies and project them to an external force or entity.  It is used in religion, medicine, politics, self-help, and pretty much everything else.  

The dude talks about weak men yet he benefits financially from them.  

I am not talking about that I am just talking about the talking points that he uses are sometimes correct. I dont care how he makes his money why would I 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Bro nobody wants an equal partnership. The worst thing about equality is you don't need each other anymore and there is no polarity. No glue. 

You are fundamentally misunderstanding this. Equal partnership is exactly what you want and that has no bearing on masculine/feminine polarity. You don't need to boss around a woman or be above her in order for her to love you and in order for there to be great sexual chemistry.

You need to let go of this bad idea that you should boss women around. That's not a desirable thing even of the women would tolerate it, which of course she won't.

A real man does not need a cup of coffee from his woman on command. That's so petty and shallow. She's not your fucking maid.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

I am not trying to get into arguments and I appreciate everyones point of view and will consider it. All I am saying is this forum is very politically correct on one side but very dismissive of the other side and it's obvious. Pretty soon everyone is gonna be a passive pussy. Perfect food for predators 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

You are fundamentally misunderstanding this. Equal partnership is exactly what you want and that has no bearing on masculine/feminine polarity. You don't need to boss around a woman or be above her in order for her to love you and in order for there to be great sexual chemistry.

You need to let go of this bad idea that you should boss women around. That's not a desirable thing even of the women would tolerate it, which of course she won't.

I don't want a woman that would allow me to boss her around. But she should simply do certain things on her own without having to ask. Which is what Tate says like in the women should clean video from a while back that was very popular. People forget the second half of his point where if they don't do it he will just dismiss them and find another woman so where is the control in that. A woman will drop you asap if you don't meet her standards btw

Idk what you mean about the equal partnership then

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

People forget the second half of his point where if they don't do it he will just dismiss them and find another woman so where is the control in that.

That's an extremely dysfunctional and toxic attitude towards relationships. One of the most important rules of healthy relationships is that you do everything you can to avoid threatening leaving the relationship. As soon as you threaten leaving, that's it, your relationship has already failed, even if you never leave. Just the threat of it is very damaging and basically irreversible because your partner can never trust you again.

Think of it this way: If you had an 8 year old daughter and she failed to clean the toilet on time, would you ever tell her that you're leaving and replacing her? That would be insanely abusive. This would give your daughter mental illness. You would never do that to someone you love. Which is why Tate's advice is hot garbage. Please stop listening to him and buy an actual book on relationship advice. Not this Red Pill trash.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

Why does Andrew Tate seems to always make his rounds on this forum . Like the nagging mother-in-law, cant seem to get rid of him. Like the guest that never leaves. Like Donald Trump. They just seem to just always be there. Wherever you go. Like my friggin' shadow, like Dear Uncle Charles the drunk uncle, like the one bitch in the room or the one pervert that never quits, like the whimpering dog and the buzzing fly or the bedazzling wasp heading for your tits. Why. What did I do to deserve this, God. Everytime when I think ok Andrew Tate has left the room, here he comes again. Even after prison sentence, on death row, he still manages to appear outta nowhere from Poland right here in Forumland miles away. Can we get another incel role model around here, maybe he'll shake things up a bit and get the ball a rolling.

[Leo Gura]

"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled."