Why the mechanics of solipsism can't be spoken

[Osaid]

12 minutes ago, Max1993 said:

If I saw this forum in my nightly dream, wouldn't it behave differently, such as people and posts being merely appearances. You reading this isn't limited to an appearance, you have your own bubble, yet Leo says it is EXACTLY like a dream, why is this?

It is limited to a certain appearance right now. If we met in real life, I would become a more physical appearance for a brief moment, and then it would go back to being an imaginative appearance once I leave your physical experience again. Consciousness is very ephemeral and dreamlike in this way, as it constantly creates and removes all the appearances around you, filling it in whenever necessary. 

Furthermore, humans are not conscious. Humans happen within consciousness. 

No object or subject "has" consciousness. It's the other way around. Consciousness has objects/subjects. And then, consciousness might imagine distinctions between itself, and then it might imagine that certain distinctions of itself carry a different or separate consciousness. This can happen in dreams too, as with any state of consciousness.

All distinctions and separations are ultimately imagined, but be careful, because there's also nothing wrong with imagination. If you create a mental hierarchy that says imagination is "less real" than the rest of reality, that's just more imagination on top of imagination. Neurotically clinging to states of consciousness which lack imagination is a big trap in this work. The key is CONSCIOUSLY imagining, rather than shunning away imagination altogether.

[Max1993]

@Osaid Thank you. I guess what trips me up is when Leo says he is not having his own experience and I am imagining him. I understand imagination is efficient and doesn't need to render what I don't see, however other people must have their own bubble in some strange way. This is what I want clarified. 

[Osaid]

4 hours ago, Max1993 said:

Thank you. I guess what trips me up is when Leo says he is not having his own experience and I am imagining him. I understand imagination is efficient and doesn't need to render what I don't see, however other people must have their own bubble in some strange way. This is what I want clarified. 

You and him are intimately tied together, along with everything else in your experience. It's hard to linguistically explicate it more than that without it getting confusing. 

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however other people must have their own bubble in some strange way

Kind of. It's a bit of a paradox. 

Notice that, experientially, there is absolutely no difference between a reality where other people are having their own bubble at the same time as you, and a reality where each bubble is taking their own separate turn. If you got teleported to either reality, you would literally never notice it, because the only difference in either reality is what you decide to imagine. The difference between both realities is always just what you imagine, that's it. Because time is relative, so anything to do with time will always come down to a difference of imagination, since time is relative and imaginary.

Here is another perspective: your inability to perceive their bubble IS how you perceive their bubble, because if you ACTUALLY perceived their bubble, it would immediately become your own bubble, because ultimately consciousness cannot separate itself from itself, so the lack of other bubbles is actually what causes you to infer that there are "other" bubbles in the first place. 

Really, fundamentally, what you're asking is these things:

-What does it mean for something to exist? How do I know something exists? How do I know if something doesn't exist?

-How is duality and separation created? How does reality separate itself?

If you just clearly figure out the above questions, you will easily be able to answer any questions involving other people and their existence, because all you have to do then is apply what you already know.

Here are some more pointers which may or may not be helpful:

 

 

Edited July 13, 2023 by Osaid

[Hojo]

@Max1993 if there is air in the bubble and then the bubble pops where did the air in it go.nowhere ,the bubble just dissapeared the illusion of the air inside seperated from outside the bubble just stopped.

When your bubble pop all that happen is the illusion of you being seperate from the air outside your bubble will stop.

And you say holy fuck I'm free from my bubble illusion and you gain tremendous energy and expand to the entire universe

Edited July 13, 2023 by Hojo

[Max1993]

@Osaid Thank you this has been helpful  

[Max1993]

@Hojo Thank you