Death - Will it be crazier than 5-meo trip?

[Arthogaan]

Hi my brothers and sisters 

Lately after my deepening of experiental Absolute Solipsism and some first 5-meo trips:
- initially I was left without any fear of death, because I realized that I am eternal and will move on forever as Consciousness,
- but then after some really uncomfortable 5meo trips I started to actually be anxious about death. Like it really started to become obvious that I will not die, but my consciousness will expand brutally. That maybe it will be as insane as 5-meo trip and that I will be catapulted so fast into infinity that I will not know what is happening and that I will become Insane. Insane Infinite Consciousness lost in it's Infinite Imagination. It left me really anxious.

But then I contemplated about it on LSD and I came to the conclusion that:
1.God Is Me.
2.I know I am a really good person deep down.
3. Therefore God must be good and gentle much as I am and that he surely designed process of death to be loving, and gradual, understanding and much less rapid than 5Meo trip. 

That in a way God designed this reality in a way that we can have access to Infinite Realms of Consciousness through psychedelics, but the normal process of death is designed to be less radical, less traumatizing, and that there will be some form of life review, you know- light tunel, and choosing next incarnation that is much more extravagant and more abundant in high consciousness vibrations, but not so out there like 5meo trip.

But then maybe I am fooling myself because I fear insanity. What do you think? Is the process of death and choosing the next dream more peacefull and gradual than an intense 5meo trip? 

@Leo Gura @Inliytened1 @justfortoday @Breakingthewall @Moksha @Jowblob @OBEler @JuliusCaesar @Michal__

[ChrisZoZo]

Not sure on what death means to you. From my experience (enlightenment) death is, death of the future, death of the past you have only now. Watch Leo’s meditation video on god realisation to understand this some what. This doesn’t mean the future or pass is gone or can’t be but you are true so u don’t know if this is the case. The idea of you is gone and u are nothing as now. 
 

The process is following a sadhana until a feeling of death comes which can vary a lot and u might want to go to the hospital. U might feel sick and the body will be quite weird. After while I will be a dead man walking. There’s nothing inside your body but god.

[Arthogaan]

9 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

Not sure on what death means to you. From my experience (enlightenment) death is, death of the future, death of the past you have only now. Watch Leo’s meditation video on god realisation to understand this some what. This doesn’t mean the future or pass is gone or can’t be but you are true so u don’t know if this is the case. The idea of you is gone and u are nothing as now. 
 

The process is following a sadhana until a feeling of death comes which can vary a lot and u might want to go to the hospital. U might feel sick and the body will be quite weird. After while I will be a dead man walking. There’s nothing inside your body but god.

I know all that. I am asking about what will be happening in my visual field (me as God/Consciousness) after Arthogaan's body dies.

[Someone here]

You're imagining death .

There's actually zero evidence that death is real .

But don't listen to me ..I'm probably a nutcase 

[Arthogaan]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You're imagining death .

There's actually zero evidence that death is real .

But don't listen to me ..I'm probably a nutcase 

That is literally what this post is about, that death is not real, and that the experience goes on. The question is about what is happening to my visual field when this body ceases to function. This body will not live for eternity.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

That is literally what this post is about, that death is not real, and that the experience goes on. The question is about what is happening to my visual field when this body ceases to function. This body will not live for eternity.

You don't get it . It's more radical than that .

You say "what happens to my visual field when this body ceases to function ".

"This body will not live forever ".

Actually..YOU ARE IMAGINING THAT RIGHT NOW  . isn't that what's happening? 

What evidence (scientific or otherwise) do you that "this body will not live for eternity "?

Death at all levels is just a belief. 

[Breakingthewall]

no idea... but seeing that this experience follows defined patterns, a development, a purpose, an intention, karma, and seeing the beauty, the love, the perfection that is hidden under the apparent chaos, I imagine an evolution towards more beauty, More love, more purpose. but... who knows? we will see soon

[ChrisZoZo]

25 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

I am asking about what will be happening in my visual field (me as God/Consciousness) after Arthogaan's body dies.

Leo’s video on outrageous experiments in  consciousness might have the answer to that. 

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Vibes said:

@Someone here Don't you even begin to pretend to understand this.

Ok

[Arthogaan]

46 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You don't get it . It's more radical than that .

You say "what happens to my visual field when this body ceases to function ".

"This body will not live forever ".

Actually..YOU ARE IMAGINING THAT RIGHT NOW  . isn't that what's happening? 

What evidence (scientific or otherwise) do you that "this body will not live for eternity "?

Death at all levels is just a belief. 

Okay dude. The fact that I am imagining everything doesn't mean I can not ask the questions about what happens inside imagination.

I could ask "what happens when I close my eyes". You are so dense you would reply "Closing your eyes does not exist! You are imagining closing your eyes!". Yeah, no shit, thats what question is about.

[Arthogaan]

52 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

no idea... but seeing that this experience follows defined patterns, a development, a purpose, an intention, karma, and seeing the beauty, the love, the perfection that is hidden under the apparent chaos, I imagine an evolution towards more beauty, More love, more purpose. but... who knows? we will see soon

Thanks, I have similiar thoughts.

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

I could ask "what happens when I close my eyes". You are so dense you would reply "Closing your eyes does not exist! You are imagining closing your eyes!". Yeah, no shit, thats what question is about.

Yes you would be imagining closing your eyes until you actually close them .Once you close them It would not be imagination anymore .

Same with death .you are imagining it until it actually happens. The question is :will it ever actually happen? 

[Arthogaan]

39 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes you would be imagining closing your eyes until you actually close them .Once you close them It would not be imagination anymore .

Actually, even when I close them it would still be imagination.

Do you go to the psychedelic subforum and when someone asks "what happens when I take DMT" you answer very cleverly "well actually taking DMT does not exist, you are imagining taking DMT". Wow dude, very helpful. That is not the question.  Do you really think that Leo claiming "Death is imaginary " means that your Consciousness will be forever in this body of yours? Don't you think that after some point your consciousness will move on from this body? Don't you think that very interesting phenomena will be right in front of your eyes when it happens?

Please again, more humbleness my dude, you seem like you do not even think critically about the question and you just jump ahead to clever sentences parroting Leo "DEATH IS IMAGINARY" so that you could feel wise. No ill feelings bro  but it really seems to my that you do that kind of thing often.

Obviously in a standard meaning of the word "DEATH" - meaning that our consciousness ceases to be, that our visual field goes blank, and nothing happens yes- that is not gonna happen and we are imagining that. But that very insight means that there will be something else happening, that if our consciousness does not go blank, then it means we will have something else happening in our visual field. And the question is obviously about that process. And when we call death that process, of consciousness starting to imagine some next dream landscape, then death exists. 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Arthogaan

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

Actually, even when I close them it would still be imagination.

How so ? Can't you distinguish between concepts in your mind with physical reality? 

3 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

Do you go to the psychedelic subforum and when someone asks "what happens when I take DMT" you answer very cleverly "well actually taking DMT does not exist, you are imagining taking DMT". Wow dude, very helpful. That is not the question

No I don't do that . Again..Taking DMT is not imaginary if you actually take it ..death is imaginary until you actually die .but the difference between death and snorting some substance up your ass is clear .one can be verified in quick way and the other is impossible to verify .of course I expect you to know which is which .

6 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

Do you really think that Leo claiming "Death is imaginary " means that your Consciousness will be forever in this body of yours? Don't you think that after some point your consciousness will move on from this body? Don't you think that very interesting phenomena will be right in front of your eyes when it happens?

I don't care about what Leo says .I'm not parroting Leo. I'm taking about direct experience. In direct experience there is no such thing as "death " except a THOUGHT in your mind .

I won't  repeat again. This should be easy to understand if you actually cared to understand me instead of calling me a Leo parrot.

8 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

Please again, more humbleness my dude, you seem like you do not even think critically about the question and you just jump ahead to clever sentences parroting Leo "DEATH IS IMAGINARY" so that you could feel wise. No ill feelings bro  but it really seems to my that you do that kind of thing often.

What did I say that makes me arrogant?  I really don't get it.  You asked a good question and I shared with you my thoughts on the subject. 

I'm not trying to sound smart .I'm literally telling you the correct answer to your question. 

Of course it's correct for me .if it's not for you.. then throw it in the trash bag. 

Good luck ? 

[Arthogaan]

@Someone here Do you think the body that your Consciousness is now in, will last forever?

Edited July 8, 2023 by Arthogaan

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

@Someone here Do you think the body that your Consciousness is now in, will last forever?

Great question. 

The only correct answer (even though I might be disappointing for you )..is NOBODY KNOWS!  The body might disappear magically for no reason at all . Isn't that how you was born ? You just magically popped out of nowhere?  What makes you think this body will die ?what if starting from age 60+ you start becoming young again ..? Or million other crazy possibilities?  But you see you are deeply convinced by society and culture that this body will drop dead someday . The truth is both death and immortality are beliefs. 

 

[Arthogaan]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Great question. 

The only correct answer (even though I might be disappointing for you )..is NOBODY KNOWS!  The body might disappear magically for no reason at all . Isn't that how you was born ? You just magically popped out of nowhere?  What makes you think this body will die ?what if starting from age 60+ you start becoming young again ..? Or million other crazy possibilities?  But you see you are deeply convinced by society and culture that this body will drop dead someday . The truth is both death and immortality are beliefs. 

 

And that answer I can appreciate. It engages with the question. Thanks.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

..is NOBODY KNOWS! 

Or maybe some people know. Maybe some radical 5meo experiences show what is probable to happen. Or I know we have a user @justfortoday that had near death experience, I am stoked to get his perspective. We can never know for sure I agree. But maybe there can be some insight into the nature of this. That is why I am asking.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What makes you think this body will die ?

It seems to me, that if Eternity is by definition infinite, and this body, this incarnation is finite in nature, then at some point, even if I am to live for 2 million years, then it seems intuitive that the Absolute will want to move onto the next form eventually. Don't you agree? That it seems nonsensical for the Absolute to dwell in Someone here's body FOREVER?

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

And that answer I can appreciate. It engages with the question. Thanks.

 

 

Or maybe some people know. Maybe some radical 5meo experiences show what is probable to happen. Or I know we have a user @justfortoday that had near death experience, I am stoked to get his perspective. We can never know for sure I agree. But maybe there can be some insight into the nature of this. That is why I am asking.

 

 

It seems to me, that if Eternity is by definition infinite, and this body, this incarnation is finite in nature, then at some point, even if I am to live for 2 million years, then it seems intuitive that the Absolute will want to move onto the next form eventually. Don't you agree? That it seems nonsensical for the Absolute to dwell in Someone here's body FOREVER?

Like I said I don't really know..but there is some truth to what you're saying..I mean you can look at it from a scientific perspective..When one ends life..it only make space for other forms of life. All carbon.  nitrogen .hydrogen  oxygen, and other elements that build human being and any other life on Earth do not change in moment of death. Nothing happens. Same elements will be used to build other form of life very soon.

Death doesn’t exists. We silly monkeys.. made that up in our heads.

Even if When life ends.. death do not occur..another life is formed.

[Arthogaan]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Like I said I don't really know..but there is some truth to what you're saying..I mean you can look at it from a scientific perspective..When one ends life..it only make space for other forms of life. All carbon.  nitrogen .hydrogen  oxygen, and other elements that build human being and any other life on Earth do not change in moment of death. Nothing happens. Same elements will be used to build other form of life very soon.

Death doesn’t exists. We silly monkeys.. made that up in our heads.

Even if When life ends.. death do not occur..another life is formed.

Oh okay, you were talking all this time from the paradigm of material world existing?

Then I don't think we can really engage.

I am asking from the paradigm of entire universse disaappearing during "death" and new reality being imagined without the loss of Consciousness.

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Arthogaan said:

Thanks, I have similiar thoughts.

For me, the only important thing about death is: you have to arrive at it with the ability to let go of everything. you have to do the work, completely. it's crucial to get this