How do you integrate survival with spirituality?

[Jayson G]

I've been wanting to take my spiritual practices to a next level by taking kriya yoga seriously, and replacing it with my current meditations, and basically aim to go deeper in spirituality. And at some point in my development I want to take psychedelics. 

And I've been hearing Leo say from many angles, things along these lines: if you start to deconstruct your reality, some people end up in mental hospitals. Or that some people stop caring about their survival as they go deeper in spirituality. Or that you're trading your current form for a higher form. If all this is true, then how do you survive? is spirituality even worth pursuing if survival is also very important to me? Yet there are many spiritual people who have survival down, to the fine details, like Leo and Sadhguru and others. How do they do it if spirituality contradicts with survival?

Would appreciate any insights regarding this. 

Here's my current ways of thinking about this: 

I'd imagine taking care of survival even at high levels of spirituality is a conscious choice, and those who care will care, and those who don't, won't. That's a choice, and if I care now, I can care later. 

Also those who end up in mental hospitals, don't have guidance. They haven't read the books, listened to different perspectives, etc. 

And when you go to this higher form, your experience of reality just gets re-contextualized. So you kind of have both forms, which allows you to pursue survival as well. 

Would that be accurate?

From one perspective, I'd imagine I'd take care of survival better, because I actually appreciate the beauty of life, the gift of life. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Jayson G

[Moksha]

You created the dream for a reason. Survival allows you to stay within the dream, while spirituality allows you to lucidly enjoy it. Each serves the purpose of the absolute.

[Carl-Richard]

Start by reclaiming your mind. Spirituality is filled with a lot of dogmatic fear around rationality and clear thinking. Logic is not your enemy, conceptual knowledge is not your enemy, clear and precise language is not your enemy. You merely transcend these things at some point, but you have to be clear on what this transcendence really means, and what is clear is that rationality and clear thinking do not stop being important for survival.

[caspex]

There is no effort required in integrating Survival and Spirituality together. The distinction between them is artificial. If the nature of your journey is that you live in a cave for years, that's what it is. If your nature directs you to live in society, or live as a teacher, that's how you live. You'd do what your situation requires.
The reason someone would go in a mental asylum is not because they did not care about their survival, but that they were reckless and as you said, without guidance.
This idea that you need to separately care for 'Survival' is a bias. A bias created so you have an excuse to live the normal life alongside doing spirituality. This idea will hold you back.
Just don't be reckless, and pursue what you want to pursue. If you going balls deep in Kriya Yoga requires you living in the forest than so be it, and if the result is that your nature makes you live as a millionaire guru then so be it.
It's not that complicated.

[gettoefl]

for me it's about reaching a so called fuck you level of assets ... namely i no longer depend on another's approval to deserve my daily bread

the whims and woes of others have long since been left behind

now it's all me

(there's calculators that can spit out this retirement number by you inputting personal variables)