PBD "Heated Debate" on Taxes: Allocating to Private vs Public

[Dauntment]

 

I don't intend to go back and forth etc. etc. and whatnot but what intrigued me the most about this is the clear (at least to me) dynamic of "Orange" vs "Green" in Spiral Dynamics.

Patrick Bet-David clearly (perhaps heavily biased) in favor of Free Markets & Capitalism, etc. ("Someone who is struggling financially is because its THEIR OWN fault")

Sam Seder in favor of "Equality" and "Ethos-Efficiency", etc. ("Someone who is struggling financially is because the system could be better balanced/favored")

 

Quick little generalizations I made but these conflicts/fights/debates are always interesting to me given the obvious presence of self-bias and lack of integral/systems/holistic thinking. 

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Dauntment

On 2023-07-05 at 0:55 AM, Dauntment said:

 

I don't intend to go back and forth etc. etc. and whatnot but what intrigued me the most about this is the clear (at least to me) dynamic of "Orange" vs "Green" in Spiral Dynamics.

Patrick Bet-David clearly (perhaps heavily biased) in favor of Free Markets & Capitalism, etc. ("Someone who is struggling financially is because its THEIR OWN fault")

Sam Seder in favor of "Equality" and "Ethos-Efficiency", etc. ("Someone who is struggling financially is because the system could be better balanced/favored")

 

Quick little generalizations I made but these conflicts/fights/debates are always interesting to me given the obvious presence of self-bias and lack of integral/systems/holistic thinking. 

 

 

   Yes, I mostly agree, plus PBD has a libertarian bias and believes in libertarianism, so naturally he'll strongly lean into free markets and individualism at the expense of demonizing the mainstream and conformist office types. Sanders is nearly the opposite of PBD and that he's a socialist/progressive with some reasonable takes, although to be honest Destiny is far more reasonable. Also in this heated exchange I intuit that it's mainly this capitalist versus communist paradigm far more at play.