Content quality is dropping

[Yimpa]

 @ivankiss I was so close to doing the same, but it was clear that it would lead to more suffering 

[Sugarcoat]

@uronlydreaming

 

One can write something that sounds like one cares while not really caring 

 something that sounds judgmental while not judging at all

something that sounds like one has a problem while one doesn’t really 

 

 

just because you couldn’t possibly write this post without it coming from some egoic projection or whatever you sense it to be - doesn’t mean others can’t do it 

[BlessedLion]

They are simply monkey-ing their leader who acts like an arrogant asshole who is the most enlightened being ever and the most awake. Monkey see monkey do. No humbleness in this community, it’s sad how devolved this whole channel has become. There was serious potential. This is what happens when you overdo it on the drugs 

[Breakingthewall]

the problem is that spirituality is not something established, it is not a well-trodden path. there is no way to get to the bottom of yourself. Only you can do it, and your path will be the only path that exists. So it is normal that there is a lot of digression and a lot of nonsense. there are people here who are very serious about this, who really want to open themselves to infinity. but doing so is extremely difficult, there's a lot of trickery along the way, and there's no guarantee that you're not just going around in circles. For me there is only one requirement: to be serious about it, to really want total openness.

[Inliytened1]

On 6/26/2023 at 7:11 AM, ivankiss said:

Is it just me or is there more and more low quality nonsense on this forum - particularly on this sub? 

I've been active here, pretty consistently for the past 4/5 years, and I'd say that the quality of the content has been dropping steadily over the years. 

My guess is that more and more 'low consciousness' folks are joining the forum and more and more 'high consciousness' folks are leaving, or are semi-active, kind of in the background. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but I feel like the balance is not quite there in this case.

Every other member posting on this sub is now 'God-realized' or 'the most awakened one' or whatever else. I've seen members hijack the entire sub, rambling about how enlightened they are, what things are or are not, etc. And I get it. You have some mystical experiences, a few realizations, you take some psychedelics, you meditate a bit... and now you want the whole world to know how enlightened you are. I know the feel, bro. Been there. And I certainly have done or said some stupid shit on here myself. But you gotta tame that beast, bro. You gotta be smarter than that. You must know your place. 

I have respect for certain members here, even though I wouldn't say I'm particularly close to anyone. But I value the opinion of some. To various extents. I also find zero value in what some other member have to share or suggest. Simply because they've proven themselves to be immature, underdeveloped and 'asleep'. They are usually equipped with loads of fake confidence too, which makes things even more cringy.

Where is genuine curiosity? Genuine desire for wisdom and awakening? Love? Communion? Unity?

I'm not saying there is zero of that on this forum, but it's far less prevalent than all the other nonsense.

What I'm trying to suggest is: don't post just any stupid shit that crosses your half awake mind. If you're going to state something, make it good and solid. Make it so that it makes sense to those who are reading. Make it so it has a tail and a head. Don't just ramble foolishly, jerking off in everyone's faces.

And if you're going to ask for guidance, advice or help... do it with humility and open-mindedness. Don't ask if you think you already know the answer. Don't ask if you are unable to listen. Work on basic communication skills before you set out to seek enlightenment and whatnot. Be a decent human being first. Then you can maybe try being God lol.

I used to like this place. I still kind of do. Don't turn it into a shitfest now, ok? Thanks.

The problem with this post is it is a generalizion.  Nothing can be pinpointed.  It is all - grey, if you will.  And thus, relative.   I think that's where @uronlydreaming was going.  This is your perception of the forum and yours alone.   The key take away, is to notice this.  Notice that.  Because it's you telling you to notice that.  After all, its even deeper than it being your perception of the forum - it is your creation...as he said in so many words, we are all you - the forum is merely a projection of your own mind as God.  It represents the changes you are making as an ego and as God.   Perhaps it's you that's become more conscious, and it's time for you to move on to bigger challenges.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Princess Arabia]

There's always going to be a complaint line in life. The question is what do we do about our complaints. Do we keep on complaining, move to another timeline or accept the condition for what it is. Personally, I would shift to another timeline as there are infinite possibilities in the quantum realm to explore and experience. Expecting people to adapt to my expectations of them is me giving away my inner authority to feel how I choose to feel about what I'm experiencing. Situations are going to arise in life that i won't like, it's how I choose to respond to those situations that allows me to maintain my inner authority without expecting the outer world to determine how I feel. The world will not adapt to suit us, we have to adjust our inner state to change what's occurring outside of us; and how we interpret what's happening outside of us is a reflection of what's happening inside. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

They are simply monkey-ing their leader who acts like an arrogant asshole who is the most enlightened being ever and the most awake. Monkey see monkey do. No humbleness in this community, it’s sad how devolved this whole channel has become. There was serious potential. This is what happens when you overdo it on the drugs 

I was pretty hard on him about this myself- and I think he's since come down from the high horse.   

[EdgeGod900]

@ivankiss Wow i'm glad im not the only one that noticed. So many questions could be answered by Leo's videos. And look, i'm also guilty of having half ass answers from time to time. But yeah we probably won't have the power to change this unless Leo and the Mods become stricter with their standards. For now I just look at Leo's comments from time to time, and not really care much about anything in the forum after that.

Edited June 29, 2023 by EdgeGod900

[Moksha]

44 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The world will not adapt to suit us, we have to adjust our inner state to change what's occurring outside of us; and how we interpret what's happening outside of us is a reflection of what's happening inside. 

Well and truly said, see my sig⚡

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Well and truly said, see my sig⚡

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[Thought Art]

I’m in a process of maturing and working through a life transition. Haven’t been posting much or following many threads. 
 

I haven’t seen much that’s drawn me in. 
 

I am also working on creating a and contemplating more. As well I’ve been getting some much needed socializing and exercise in nature.
 

I don’t know. Forum seems to be improving. A lot of the drama is leaving it seems. Which is good. 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Thought Art

[Breakingthewall]

@ivankiss  

If the forum seems low quality, try to provide high quality, so its level will rise.

nonsense is mixed with high quality contributions in this forum. It depends on what you focus on, you will perceive it as crap or as something valuable

[ivankiss]

Thanks for your input guys. I resonate with most what you said. To various degrees.

Perhaps this is just natural progression and it's just how the forum and the community are evolving. There's always going to be little bit of bullshit in the background. Everywhere you look. And I think that's beautiful. It should be that way. Spices things up a bit. Makes it a bit more exciting. But if the bullshit is overwhelming and there is little to no light to be seen, then I'd say there is a problem. Not saying this place is all shit, but sometimes I'm kind of worried that things are not heading the "right direction". No, I don't really give a fuck. I've got much more important things going on for me than some stupid little forum. And also yes, I do give a fuck. Because I do see beauty in this place and I would like to be a part of it. It's just that it's a bit difficult to be proud of being part of something that's still kind of toxic and twisted. It just does not seem like a very healthy environment. It's kinda getto. And again cool, to some extant, but not cool if it completely takes over.

I myself am a lot more shadowy these days. I'm not all rainbows and butterflies. You could say that I'm integrating my shadow, and it's not the prettiest process to witness. I do say stupid shit here sometimes and I do become a bit aggressive or bitter or bitchy here and there. I might be a bit of a dick towards some of you. And for that I am sorry - in most cases. But still I'm doing my best to stand for "the good" and "the light" - if you will. Even though I allow my shadow to take over the wheel, here and there. I try to be wise about it and not let it spiral out of control. I try to respect both my shadow-self and whoever else is on the other side. To the best of my abilities.

I'm not just saying all this to brag about how cool and enlightened I am, but since some of you emphasized the importance of leading by example, I felt inspired to briefly share where I stand on these things. Maybe it opens up something in you, maybe it does nothing for you, who knows... 

What I very rarely do, if ever, is attack random strangers on the internet out of nowhere, for no other reason than different beliefs or ideas that we subscribe to. I thank that's a line that should not be crossed. It's ok to disagree and even have heated arguments, but if you start attacking one's character you are simply not developed enough no be here. It's useful though to know how to "defend" yourself from these dicks. Because they can fuck you up, real bad. I was never really a victim of abuse on here, but I've seen stuff... So yeah, maybe another thing that should be given a bit more focus.

And that's all mostly just basic human decency that I'm talking about here. I'm not even going into all the grandiose delusions about God-realization and whatnot.. It pisses me of sometimes because a lot of the stuff that's posted here is like a bastardisation of "the real thing" and "the real work". It's just cringy and goofy an low quality. It's misleading and it paints the wrong picture of this place and this work. Maybe every topic should be read by a moderator before it's approved to be published or something, idk...

Point is, I'm sure things could level up instead of down, so let's try and strive towards that. 

 

[ivankiss]

If this place is shit, it means that most of you guys are not doing the work at all, or are not doing it correctly. Because ideally, you would come on here and try to get some answers, open up some doors for yourself, discover new methods and tools, etc. And then you are supposed to go "out there" and do the work. Implement all that stuff you gathered here. And you do that, you should come back a better person - if you will. Stronger, wiser, more loving, etc. Some sort of progress should be noticeable. You would contribute higher quality content to this place. And I don't really see that happing. I see the opposite. That is why I'm disturbing your sleep.

[CARDOZZO]

We have a lot of beginners here.

I come to realize that the natural path to us here in the forum is to just leave it in the future.

Sadly but it’s a natural thing.

The more you go inside, you’ll stop giving your authority to external sources.

The real work occurs in silence/solitude, yourself by yourself… (I’m sounding an absolute solipsist here ?).

Edited June 30, 2023 by CARDOZZO

[Yimpa]

You also need to be careful not to take things too serious. Taking your dogma too seriously turns you into a tethered dog. 

A beautiful poem that Google Bard just spat out:

I am a tethered dog
Bound to my master's will
I cannot roam or play
I cannot even bark

Edited June 30, 2023 by Yimpa