In Thought, Power Can Not Be Found

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

If you activate something Beyond thought, just imagine how Unlimited Power you have, since "limits" and "conditions" do not exist in that place.

Limits and conditions prevent you from going into an insane asylum 

[josemar]

12 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Limits and conditions prevent you from going into an insane asylum 

"Limits and conditions prevent you from going into an insane asylum "

- another thought

[josemar]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Thought is the ultimate power.

If you used your thought properly you would know that.

Thought is duality. For there to be anything ultimate about thought, duality has to disappear. And non dual thought is not thought anymore.

Unless of course you (mis)label as thought the infinite, but that would confuse the majority if not all people and would keep them asleep. "If only I thought hard enough, or properly, I would get what Leo is saying".

No, for most people, more thinking is not the answer, and would benefit from seeing through the nature of thought, so they can be liberated and eliminate suffering.

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

How can one expand a thought? Since a thought it's limited by its own nature of language?

Thought does not have to be associated with language or logic. equating thought with language is a mistake. thinking is processing, language is a basic processing tool. true thought is a silent mental process, and language is the primitive manifestation of those processes. thought is understanding. Bacteria understand nothing, dogs understand something, humans can understand much more. Everything?. thought is not conceptual, nor is it entirely memory. in fact, memory is something that is happening now. All this that I am saying are thoughts, but they are not articulated as a result of an analysis made at a verbal level, but by direct comprehension. This understanding is more or less deep, but it is direct, not the result of a self-dissertation of hours with logical additions and subtractions.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thought does not have to be associated with language or logic. equating thought with language is a mistake. thinking is processing, language is a basic processing tool. true thought is a silent mental process, and language is the primitive manifestation of those processes. thought is understanding. Bacteria understand nothing, dogs understand something, humans can understand much more. Everything?. thought is not conceptual, nor is it entirely memory. in fact, memory is something that is happening now. All this that I am saying are thoughts, but they are not articulated as a result of an analysis made at a verbal level, but by direct comprehension. This understanding is more or less deep, but it is direct, not the result of a self-dissertation of hours with logical additions and subtractions.

There is no such thing as an unlimited thought. The very act of perceiving a thought is an act of (artificial) limitation and separation; you can only register a thought by carving it out from the totality of your field of consciousness, just as you can only recognize a tree as a tree by mentally separating it from its surrounding and creating a distinction between "tree" and everything that is "not tree". In the same way, a thought can only exist as a thought if you contrast it with "not thought".

That's why I am telling you that you can never cram absolute reality into a thought, no matter how expansive or flexible you think it is. Just let the mind do what it was made to do: Separate, categorize, conceptualize. That is its job. Leave it to raw consciousness to become aware of itself.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

There is no such thing as an unlimited thought. The very act of perceiving a thought is an act of (artificial) limitation and separation; you can only register a thought by carving it out from the totality of your field of consciousness, just as you can only recognize a tree as a tree by mentally separating it from its surrounding and creating a distinction between "tree" and everything that is "not tree". In the same way, a thought can only exist as a thought if you contrast it with "not thought".

That's why I am telling you that you can never cram absolute reality into a thought, no matter how "expansive" you think it is. Just let the mind do what it was made to do: Separate, categorize, conceptualize. That is its job. Leave it to raw consciousness to become aware of itself.

Look at Bazooka - just layin' it down.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Look at Bazooka - just layin' it down.

 

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

There is no such thing as an unlimited thought. The very act of perceiving a thought is an act of (artificial) limitation and separation; you can only register a thought by carving it out from the totality of your field of consciousness, just as you can only recognize a tree as a tree by mentally separating it from its surrounding and creating a distinction between "tree" and everything that is "not tree". In the same way, a thought can only exist as a thought if you contrast it with "not thought".

That's why I am telling you that you can never cram absolute reality into a thought, no matter how "expansive" you think it is. Just let the mind do what it was made to do: Separate, categorize, conceptualize. That is its job. Leave it to raw consciousness to become aware of itself.

Good point. any thought is relative, that is, it relates one thing to another and therefore separates. an absolute thought is a non-thought. but the fact is that the act of thinking is the absolute thinking, therefore, the absolute wants to think and wants to think in more expanded ways. the point is not to confuse what thought defines with the truth, since the truth is indefinable. as you say, it is the absolute realizing itself. then the thoughts come.  

thoughts will try to capture reality, since this is a way of the absolute to understand itself. one must see how far thought can go if the absolute realizes itself in a habitual way

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

thoughts will try to capture reality, since this is a way of the absolute to understand itself. one must see how far thought can go if the absolute realizes itself in a habitual way

But that's what I am telling you... the absolute cannot rationally understand itself. The mind was not created for self realization; it was created for self distraction. So every thought about the absolute will just be another distraction from the absolute, no matter how you slice it.

And the more "true" a thought will seem to you, the more deceptive it will be - because now you are creating a duality between "more true" over here and "less true" over there. It's like a chinese finger trap... the harder you struggle to get out of it, the harder you get stuck in it.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Limits and conditions prevent you from going into an insane asylum 

@Yimpa My friend, thoughts are the ones that get people into insane asylums ?

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

The mind was not created for self realization; it was created for self distraction.

Thats a thought that can point a truth or not. I think we have to realize the absolute thoroughly, frequently. there is 5 meo, meditation, whatever. Those of us who have this tendency have to go without fear and directly to it regardless of the medium. later, we will see what thoughts do, where they lead and if we can keep a good balance.

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thats a thought that can point a truth or not. I think we have to realize the absolute thoroughly, frequently. there is 5 meo, meditation, whatever. Those of us who have this tendency have to go without fear and directly to it regardless of the medium. later, we will see what thoughts do, where they lead and if we can keep a good balance.

What have you found out about the Absolute in your deepest trips?

Edited June 24, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What have you found out about the Absolute in your deepest trips?

I have realized the absolute, or rather, I have become absolute with 5 meo only 3 times and it has been short-lived, since all my psychic construction rebels against it. it is something that happens by force with a drug. the absolute is without limit, and being without limit reveals itself as everything. I have done many more trips with 5 meo and mushrooms, in which I have seen the absolute. this is different. I, the construction, the energetic pattern that is now, on the verge of dissolution realizing the bottomless void that is existence that is absolute potential, but there is still duality . Lately i got that state also being sober or with 2 puffs of weed. The work for me is to stay at that point without escaping in horror, to educate myself to let go, to accept the absolute, in order to have long realizations. It's a long process for me, you need to completely restructure the psyche. For Leo, perhaps it is something easy, for others it is impossible, for others it is difficult. It doesn't matter, I know I have to do what I'm doing

Edited June 24, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

thought is this universe, god willing me into action

question is, who among us has a conscious original piercing thought rather than ones we just repackage and claim our own

[Yimpa]

53 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

thought is this universe, god willing me into action

question is, who among us has a conscious original piercing thought rather than ones we just repackage and claim our own

The illusion is that there are individual selves having original thoughts.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I have realized the absolute, or rather, I have become absolute with 5 meo only 3 times and it has been short-lived, since all my psychic construction rebels against it. it is something that happens by force with a drug. the absolute is without limit, and being without limit reveals itself as everything. I have done many more trips with 5 meo and mushrooms, in which I have seen the absolute. this is different. I, the construction, the energetic pattern that is now, on the verge of dissolution realizing the bottomless void that is existence that is absolute potential, but there is still duality . Lately i got that state also being sober or with 2 puffs of weed. The work for me is to stay at that point without escaping in horror, to educate myself to let go, to accept the absolute, in order to have long realizations. It's a long process for me, you need to completely restructure the psyche. For Leo, perhaps it is something easy, for others it is impossible, for others it is difficult. It doesn't matter, I know I have to do what I'm doing

Splendid. Not all of your psyche rebels against Truth.  Otherwise you would not become the Truth on 5-MeO.   Many would take it and it would do nothing.  Your mind is curious about the nature of reality - and open to anything- and that is what sets you apart.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

19 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Otherwise you would not become the Truth on 5-MeO.   Many would take it and it would do nothing

Yes, the total opening is something that happens or not. The unthinkable may never be revealed. It is somewhat difficult to understand, what we do is try to understand the barriers that prevent this, the engineering that is the self, how it closes the reality, in order to soften it and that the opening can occur

[Razard86]

Javfly33 there is thought in power, its just you are so powerful that your power can't be found.....cause your it!!! Its like a nuclear explosion that already exploded and is looking for evidence. The proof of YO POWER is ALL AROUND YOU!!!

[jdc7733]

On 6/24/2023 at 5:00 AM, Enlightement said:

All power only lies in thought. What else. 

But what powers thought? wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that everything is controlled by either everything else or god?

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Its like a nuclear explosion that already exploded and is looking for evidence. The proof of YO POWER is ALL AROUND YOU!!!

Good description. And the thought is part of that explosion