There are tons of glitches in the Matrix

[Someone here]

1-there is no empirical evidence that you gonna die someday in the future.  There is no empirical evidence that there will be a future.  In fact ..the universe might just disappear completely and turn into a black blank void of nothingness just the next moment  . There is no glue that is holding everything together. Yet..miraculously..everything is alright and functions very well.

2- synchronicities which we all take for granted.. like the fact that we miraculously find a job..the planets are miraculously holding themselves together  etc

this graceful flow of consciousness might  break down and devolves into a disruptive stream. Chaos rather than graceful transition of form.

Existence is like a house of cards..yet all of us  treat it like its not made of cards but made of concrete. And we somehow think realizing the dreamy nature of form will somehow make us immune to suffering if that dream collapses. Existence is flowing extremely gracefully right now. The fact that you can sanely sit here and read this post takes beyond infinite amount of grace. All of your billions of cells working perfectly together..form that the finite mind is looking through is holding its solidity and only changes slightly..your work colleagues call you at paced times. even if you complain.. your ego destructs at an extremely peaceful and good pace along the path. Your memories are perfectly in sync with each other and with form. All of this is extremely malleable. You're a nano meter away from all of that grace just crashing and chaotically imploding on itself. Its a house of cards..not concrete.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Someone here

[Moksha]

I agree, it's stunning when you take a step back and realize the transience of the cosmos. We sometimes take for granted that everything will continue as it currently appears, especially personal experience.

I remember being in my 20s and writing in my journal that I felt at the pinnacle of life, and nothing was beyond my power to achieve. Life teaches you the lesson of transience. If you pay attention, and allow its implications to sink in, the search for the absolute, which is beyond change, becomes increasingly sincere.

[r0ckyreed]

1. There is no evidence that you wont die. I define death as the loss of your senses. So, there actually is evidence of death because I am already aware that my senses aren’t as sharp as they once were. Logic and experience, our only two ways of knowing anything, will tell you this. Becoming blind, deaf, tasteless, thoughtless, etc. is no different than death.

The glue that holds it all together is The Force, God, Gravity, Consciousness, or whatever you want to call the I Am.

Existence isn’t a house of cards, it is fundamental. It is the ground on which the cards are built on. Your identity is the house of cards. The ground is your consciousness/existence.

Edited June 18, 2023 by r0ckyreed

[Javfly33]

11 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

. Becoming blind, deaf, tasteless, thoughtless, etc. is no different than death.

 

Lol

So Blind people just don't have to live fully as anyone else? 

[r0ckyreed]

19 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Lol

So Blind people just don't have to live fully as anyone else? 

Straw man. 

Blind people can hear better than you.

Blind people’s other senses become much more sharper. Do your research. 

How else would you define death other than the complete loss of your senses? If you cannot see, hear, or even think, how would that be different than being dead?

Losing your sense of sight is a form of death. You can never see the world again like you once did. Color blind people experience a death of color.

Everything you call life is experience and when you lose all senses, you lose experience.

And by the way, yes, in a certain sense, blind people do not live as fully as people who can see. Imagine all the opportunities and experiences you lose because of that impairment. You cannot even play sports like tennis or football. Being deaf, you lose opportunities to be a musician. However, there were people like Beethoven and others who were able to make the most of their impairments, but they still lost something within their gains. This stuff should be intuitive and obvious. I don’t know why this needs to be explicated.

Edited June 18, 2023 by r0ckyreed

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

I agree, it's stunning when you take a step back and realize the transience of the cosmos. We sometimes take for granted that everything will continue as it currently appears, especially personal experience.

I remember being in my 20s and writing in my journal that I felt at the pinnacle of life, and nothing was beyond my power to achieve. Life teaches you the lesson of transience. If you pay attention, and allow its implications to sink in, the search for the absolute, which is beyond change, becomes increasingly sincere.

Of course.. solidity is actually transient .it is an illusion and isn't actually happening. But  be  just because its an illusion does not mean it does not exist. it does and doesn't exist at the same time

Have you been in a state of deep realization that transition is a dream?..that the past events leading up to present events leading up to future events isn't actually happening? its just pretending to..yet if that transition(which is a dream) stops dreaming a graceful transition.. and starts dreaming up chaos.. no matter how much you realize its a dream..you'll freak the fuck out. I should have Added a disclaimer in my OP that reading this this might have some negative effects on mentally unstable people. 

It's also sad that people seek "the absolute " only when shit hits the fan ...and not out of genuine curiosity or philosophical instinct. Only when they suffer deeply they begin looking for something else other than what this world offers.

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

1. There is no evidence that you wont die. I define death as the loss of your senses. So, there actually is evidence of death because I am already aware that my senses aren’t as sharp as they once were. Logic and experience, our only two ways of knowing anything, will tell you this. Becoming blind, deaf, tasteless, thoughtless, etc. is no different than death.

The glue that holds it all together is The Force, God, Gravity, Consciousness, or whatever you want to call the I Am.

Existence isn’t a house of cards, it is fundamental. It is the ground on which the cards are built on. Your identity is the house of cards. The ground is your consciousness/existence.

You know nothing about death. You haven't died yet ..therefore anything you say about death is conjecture. 

Imagine you're at the hospital and all of a sudden you forget what a hospital is.. who everyone is etc. You've even forgotten that a hospital is a place to get better..you've forgotten that you're looking at infinity through a HUMAN finite mind..it could be a table..cat finite mind. Why are you human? Is there any explaining of what is happening right now?   

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

Straw man. 

Blind people can hear better than you.

Blind people’s other senses become much more sharper. Do your research. 

How else would you define death other than the complete loss of your senses? If you cannot see, hear, or even think, how would that be different than being dead?

Losing your sense of sight is a form of death. You can never see the world again like you once did. Color blind people experience a death of color.

Everything you call life is experience and when you lose all senses, you lose experience.

And by the way, yes, in a certain sense, blind people do not live as fully as people who can see. Imagine all the opportunities and experiences you lose because of that impairment. You cannot even play sports like tennis or football. Being deaf, you lose opportunities to be a musician. However, there were people like Beethoven and others who were able to make the most of their impairments, but they still lost something within their gains. This stuff should be intuitive and obvious. I don’t know why this needs to be explicated.

I get you.

But inquiring that just because there is the experience of color or sound, that if that were to be removed, you would die, it does not make complete sense.

 

[r0ckyreed]

22 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I get you.

But inquiring that just because there is the experience of color or sound, that if that were to be removed, you would die, it does not make complete sense.

 

I am talking about losing all of your senses. Senses are what we could say our only connection to reality. Heck, our senses are reality. What does it even mean for something to exist if it cannot be perceived through the senses? It’s like the invisible gardener argument.

If you are blind, you can still think and hear and etc.

Imagine being born in a sensory deprivation tank with no exposure to any of your senses including language and thought. How would that experience be different than deep sleep or nonexistence? What could be aware? If you have not experienced anything, how can you be aware of anything? I’m sure you get my point. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by r0ckyreed

[Moksha]

@Someone here Depends how you define existence, but if you mean absolute reality, phenomena only appear to exist. They are the real pretending to be what it is not.

Realizing that transience is unreal, directly beyond thoughts, is cataclysmic to the ego. Everything you have identified as, developed relationships with, pursued and fled, transforms from a super-immersive VR experience into a jittery film silently passing across the screen of your awareness.

At first it is shocking to the absolute within the form, which to this point has identified with the mind. The film rolls on, but no longer has meaning. Eventually the absolute recovers and tries to make sense of being beyond the mind. It's an impossible task. Inconceivable. The brain can't compute its unreality. The absolute may vehemently deny what it has realized, turning away from the inevitable implications of its misidentification, but it can't unsee what it has seen.

It is tumultuous, terrifying, and takes you deeper than any paradigm shift. People wanting to pursue the spiritual path need to understand this. Awakening tests your sincerity to the core. It's critical that the mind is intact enough not to break under the weight of its unreality. If it does, lucidity within the dream no longer becomes possible. Awareness becomes trapped again within the labyrinth of the mind, possibly for the duration of the form. Don't trifle with ego death.

This is one reason I feel the spiritual journey is healthiest when it unfolds naturally, without shortcuts. Of course, the shortcuts are also attempts of the absolute to realize itself, and they may facilitate the process, as long as the mind doesn't entirely unravel in the attempt.

I don't see it as shameful that passing through the gate usually requires a sharper goad than curiosity. Suffering has the power to drive you forward, but only if it is leveraged to deepen your surrender. Otherwise, suffering only entangles you more deeply in the dream.

The love of truth can also bring you through the gate, without needing to suffer so deeply, but the love has to be so sincere that you are willing to sacrifice everything, including yourself, to realize the truth.

[Javfly33]

27 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

I am talking about losing all of your senses. Senses are what we could say our only connection to reality. Heck, our senses are reality. What does it even mean for something to exist if it cannot be perceived through the senses? It’s like the invisible gardener argument.

If you are blind, you can still think and hear and etc.

Imagine being born in a sensory deprivation tank with no exposure to any of your senses including language and thought. How would that experience be different than deep sleep or nonexistence? What could be aware? If you have not experienced anything, how can you be aware of anything? I’m sure you get my point. 

I exactly get your point.

And the answer is, that's exactly who you are. Nothing!

Nothing can not be destroyed ?

 

By the way, "deep sleep", or "non existence", is the idea of Nothing, not actual Nothing

Edited June 18, 2023 by Javfly33

[michaelcycle00]

What a poet you are. Sure, there's no evidence that there will be a future but you're forgetting the other side of the coin where there's no evidence that there won't be either... so you're just being biased. 

So the equation is actually really easy to solve. There's no evidence there will be a future and no evidence that there won't be, AND YET, we are here. And we know time doesn't exist, and we know there's only one will, and that will is Infinity. So the answer is we're abso-fucking-lutely gonna be here for years to come until our bodies stop responding.

You're thinking God is gonna pull the plug in the middle of the story which is no less than ludicrous lmfao. It doesn't think linearly, matter of fact I'm considerably sure it doesn't even think. You're anthropomorphizing existence/infinity like it's suddenly gonna go "Oh shit, maybe I don't wanna play this game anymore" but it's already infinite steps ahead like it has always been so there's no room for mistakes of that kind, and there's no linear time to go through to even have that as a possibility. The beginning and the end happen at the same time. If God had the kind of bias you're thinking of the Universe would've already disappeared since every good and bad thing and everything in between has "already happened". 

One of the few things humans have gotten right is "No matter what happens today, the sun will rise again tomorrow". 

[r0ckyreed]

58 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I exactly get your point.

And the answer is, that's exactly who you are. Nothing!

Nothing can not be destroyed ?

 

By the way, "deep sleep", or "non existence", is the idea of Nothing, not actual Nothing

My thoughts on death go back and forth. On the one hand, I define it as losing all of your senses, but on the other hand, I also see how death, nothing, and nonexistence don’t actually exist. The ideas of death exist, but death does not exist as an actuality. How can nonexistence exist?

[integral]

8 hours ago, Someone here said:

2- synchronicities which we all take for granted.. like the fact that we miraculously find a job..the planets are miraculously holding themselves together  etc

Every synchronicity can be explained with a understanding of interconnected systems and the complexity that arises from it.

I personally have no experiences with glitch's, saying its a glitch is like a caveman calling fire magic. Its a interpretation based on there limited vantage point. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by integral

[r0ckyreed]

Glitches don’t exist. Everything in the Universe is intelligently designed for a reason.  Glitches are your perception. Reality doesn’t have any. What makes something a glitch or part of reality is subjective. 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

My thoughts on death go back and forth. On the one hand, I define it as losing all of your senses, but on the other hand, I also see how death, nothing, and nonexistence don’t actually exist. The ideas of death exist, but death does not exist as an actuality. How can nonexistence exist?

I don't know man, the words just become confusing at some point.

All I can tell you is, there is an intuition in me, that reality is actually Nothing, and we can't ever die.

But I still go about in life like some thing can be lost. I have yet much more awakenings to have. I need to have more clarity. 

We need clarity. Not beliefs, ideas, conceptualisations, theories. Clarity!!

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

My thoughts on death go back and forth. On the one hand, I define it as losing all of your senses, but on the other hand, I also see how death, nothing, and nonexistence don’t actually exist. The ideas of death exist, but death does not exist as an actuality. How can nonexistence exist?

are you an entity that exists - no you are not

so you are an entity that doesn't exist?

no you are not

you arise dependent on conditions and causes

the mind births you as an entity which is your shape and your appearance

but you true nature is voidness

same for everyone and everything

nobody exists how they believe they do

a tree exists only if looked at ... it hasn't any inherent existence, it has imputed existence, imputed by the person who looks at it