All beliefs about 'healing' your inner child it's a complete delusion of the Ego

[Hojo]

You do have a soul and your soul needs to heal someway. The best way on earth to heal is the human body cause god made humans spiritual as fuck we are half ghosts !

Edited June 19, 2023 by Hojo

[hyruga]

Why not just say all beliefs are Ego's delusions?

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, hyruga said:

Why not just say all beliefs are Ego's delusions?

Because not all are, not from a more selfless perspective. 

The more selfless you are, the more you accept and even allow all beliefs and ego delusions to exist. 

[Davino]

There is a good reason why Ken Wilber has warned again and again that ego development and shadow work do not necessarily correlate with how many mystical experiences, insights, or peak consciousness states you have had. 

You need to do shadow work and ego development hand by hand with your awakening. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

There is a good reason why Ken Wilber has warned again and again that ego development and shadow work do not necessarily correlate with how many mystical experiences, insights, or peak consciousness states you have had. 

You need to do shadow work and ego development hand by hand with your awakening. 

good point. If there is no balance between these two aspects, problem. We have to go little by little, consistently, efficiently integrating each opening, and being aware of attachments and fears. trying to jump over them, fixing the trauma with shortcuts, doesn't work

[Javfly33]

I truly hope you guys find what real Light, Power, Infinity, Direct Consciousness, Nothing, Explosive Unity, Salvation, Shot of Truth, it is.

When you experience that, on a fucking daily basis, even if its for some moments, you will stop saying so much nonsense about healing yourself or fixing yourself.

You only want to fix or heal yourself because you still think you are the body, mind, your identity, your concept.

You guys might delude yourselves, but not me.

I know what is real, I know what light is, and I know what the devil is.

I´ve touched certain states of being that go DIMENSIONS of Intensity beyond any kind of awakening you think your had popping shit. 

Not try to downplay the awe and potentiality of substances, they help. But don't kid yourself, you are SO MUCH POWERFUL than any external-induced state.

I´ve touched states of being that could be described as "an explosion of ecstatic light, death and truth, and PURE NON-DUALITY".

Now go tell me, when you EXPERIENCE YOURSELF in that way, to go eat the egos shits of thoughts, beliefs and concepts of fixing, healing, forgiving, etc...

You are not going to eat any of that shit anymore when you know how to Explode yourself into an Infinity Unexplaineble Unitary Deathless Light each day. 

So don't try to bullshit me, the only reason you keep eating shit it's because you haven't seen nothing more than shit, with the exception of some loving intense states of drugs here and there. 

But I don't judge you, I must take into consideration, you haven't had the explosion. Its OK. When you have, you will come to your senses.

Little devils   

Edited June 20, 2023 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

@Javfly33  

I understand what you say, but don't you still have fear and attachment? because I do. I can induce moments of total happiness, of unlimited openness, without drugs, or without, but here and now, there is still fear. there is attachment to the mind, to the human that I am, there is a need for other people, there is still a lot of limitation, as is normal. the work is to see it and face it.

[Javfly33]

@Carl-Richard @Lila9 @Davino @Benton  Having said that, I do acknowledge that because of the ego traumas or attachments, maybe there is a lot of rage on my 'teaching', and it's not politically correct.

Each day I do a yoga posture where impressive amounts of rage, power and intensity came up, I am Conscious the ego its realising something and as a relief, this rage and 'violence' its coming up. But it's not mine. It's just happening. 

The traumas or attachments egos is not my problem. Those things can be worked, relieved or let go, but its not something I do, it's something that happens and the fastest it happens great, but focusing on that aspect its a big mistake.

It´s precisely when you forget about the egos problems, when they actually start to come up to the surface effortlessly and get relieved. 

Also, no human avatar its perfect. 

 

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Javfly33  

I understand what you say, but don't you still have fear and attachment? because I do. I can induce moments of total happiness, of unlimited openness, without drugs, or without, but here and now, there is still fear. there is attachment to the mind, to the human that I am, there is a need for other people, there is still a lot of limitation, as is normal. the work is to see it and face it.

Yes, absolutely. There is a lot to work on.

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there is still a lot of limitation, as is normal. the work is to see it and face it.

I wouldn't´say I don't face the fact that there is work to do. But people think the work is working on healing the human.

People should treat the human as a meat-body, nothing else. Forget the human, go and activate true Intelligence, true Power.

 

The work is how to master your skill to open the now (as you say).

This skill has nothing to do with the ego and mind bullshit, it's an energetic, or imaginary Skill, that God can have. 

The less you are lost in the ego horror story, the more time you have to actually work on what is important, that is opening the now (in my case, I say 'energy skills', but its kind of the same, its just words to describe a certain skill beyond mind, language, intellect and limitation). 
 

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Javfly33

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Each day I do a yoga posture where impressive amounts of rage, power and intensity came up, I am Conscious the ego its realising something and as a relief, this rage and 'violence' its coming up. But it's not mine. It's just happening. 

The traumas or attachments egos is not my problem. Those things can be worked, relieved or let go, but its not something I do, it's something that happens and the fastest it happens great, but focusing on that aspect its a big mistake.

It´s precisely when you forget about the egos problems, when they actually start to come up to the surface effortlessly and get relieved. 

Also, no human avatar its perfect. 

It is yours, it is your problem, and focusing on it is not a big mistake (you're focusing on it right now by trying to justify your past actions). My advice: when you're talking about egoic matters, talk like you are an ego. It's unfortunate to use non-dual language in that situation, because it's providing unnecessary information, it confuses rather than clarifies, it creates an aura of denying responsibility, and you're really just invoking a spiritual ego. When you're being a bit of a dick, then you're being a bit of a dick — simple as that.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Javfly33]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 When you're being a bit of a dick, then you're being a bit of a dick — simple as that.

That's your projection of darkness into me.

In my perspective, rage is the light, its the way it happens.

Just so you know, there are Yogis that are 100% of the time angry, not just at anyone, just angry 'because'. 

It´s a form of sadhana/spiritual practice for them.

How the illusion/Maya is constructed, 99% of egos need to relieve certain energy stickiness by rage, you should not demonise this.

@Carl-Richard Be mindful also that I am conscious between the line of rage and violence. I haven't insulted anyone and will not hurt nobody. (nor that I even could since this is a online forum lol)

It´s actually well intended. It's force-energy to dissolve the stuckness and frustration of ego-consciousness. I am literally at the same time to people that they are 'Infinitely Powerful'. It´s clear that I´m not trying to humiliate or hurt you guys. The contrary. I want you to tap into your inner power. 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Javfly33

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

That's your projection of darkness into me.

In my perspective, rage is the light, its the way it happens.

Just so you know, there are Yogis that are 100% of the time angry, not just at anyone, just angry 'because'. 

It´s a form of sadhana/spiritual practice for them.

How the illusion/Maya is constructed, 99% of egos need to relieve certain energy stickiness by rage, you should not demonise this.

@Carl-Richard Be mindful also that I am conscious between the line of rage and violence. I haven't insulted anyone and will not hurt nobody. (nor that I even could since this is a online forum lol)

It´s actually well intended. It's force-energy to dissolve the stuckness and frustration of ego-consciousness. I am literally at the same time to people that they are 'Infinitely Powerful'. It´s clear that I´m not trying to humiliate or hurt you guys. The contrary. I want you to tap into your inner power. 

I think somebody who is conscious is able to conduct themselves in a way that is appropriate to the situation, and raging at people on a forum is not that. You're using ideas about non-duality to avoid taking responsibility for your behavior, and I suggest to stop doing that.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Breakingthewall]

56 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

People should treat the human as a meat-body, nothing else. Forget the human, go and activate true Intelligence, true Power.

@Javfly33  Yes, trying to fix the human is going around in a circle, it never gets fixed. We have to transcend it, and the only way to transcend it is to realize the reality beyond the human, the depth of now, the true intelligence, as you said. we'll see where we are in a year

 

[Javfly33]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think somebody who is conscious is able to conduct themselves in a way that is appropriate to the situation, and raging at people on a forum is not that. You're using ideas about non-duality to avoid taking responsibility of your behavior, and I suggest to stop doing that.

I will be less intense to people then, but im just saying, I will reach less people/I will help less that way

People need to some fire to get them moving, sometimes

But it's not my forum, so you guys make the rules, I will be less intense/ragey then. 

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Javfly33  Yes, trying to fix the human is going around in a circle, it never gets fixed. We have to transcend it, and the only way to transcend it is to realize the reality beyond the human, the depth of now, the true intelligence, as you said. we'll see where we are in a year

 

?well see ?

[Davino]

@Javfly33 The dificulty in this communication is that what you are saying is absolutely true but not relatively true. And we are conflating each one in every conversation. We get what you are saying, we are not stupid. Even if you don't believe, we have been in those states and many can access them regularly, in those states what you say is true. But reality shapeshifts into other states and you still need to survive, be with your family and have a social life while not being in such states, because it just doesn't fly. While you are in those states what you see is true, but the exact moment you come down everything will come back and the ego mechanism of self deception will try to claim that in his egoic state there is nothing to heal. It's very hard to make the distinction in yourself between when you are saying what you are saying because you are truly in this state or because you are deceiving yourself. That is why, the people with more experience, point out that is better to take shadow work and ego development more seriously, just out of precaution and self-love. While you are in transpersonal states of course there is nothing to heal, nothing to become, nothing to realize, but till you lock that state into the 24h of the day, you will, like it or not, have to heal and disolve the ego until there is permanent no-self 24/7, even in sleep. Be honest to yourself, are you in such state the 24h of the day? If the answer is no, then you must take very seriously shadow work and ego development, because that is in fact what is most stopping you to be in that state forever.

You seem to be going down infinity but what you will discover is that once you arrive to the "end" of infinity it pop backs into the relative and simple world.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Javfly33 The dificulty in this communication is that what you are saying is absolutely true but not relatively true. And we are conflating each one in every conversation. We get what you are saying, we are not stupid. Even if you don't believe, we have been in those states and many can access them regularly, in those states what you say is true. But reality shapeshifts into other states and you still need to survive, be with your family and have a social life while not being in such states, because it just doesn't fly. While you are in those states what you see is true, but the exact moment you come down everything will come back and the ego mechanism of self deception will try to claim that in his egoic state there is nothing to heal. It's very hard to make the distinction in yourself between when you are saying what you are saying because you are truly in this state or because you are deceiving yourself. That is why, the people with more experience, point out that is better to take shadow work and ego development more seriously, just out of precaution and self-love. While you are in transpersonal states of course there is nothing to heal, nothing to become, nothing to realize, but till you lock that state into the 24h of the day, you will, like it or not, have to heal and disolve the ego until there is permanent no-self 24/7, even in sleep. Be honest to yourself, are you in such state the 24h of the day? If the answer is no, then you must take very seriously shadow work and ego development, because that is in fact what is most stopping you to be in that state forever.

You seem to be going down infinity but what you will discover is that once you arrive to the "end" of infinity it pop backs into the relative and simple world.

Do not project your beliefs of weakness and denial of Infinite Power to ME.

Just because you just have watched some videos of Leo that speak about the duality of relative Vs absolute and popped some things, doesnt mean you have seen all that is possible.

@Davino Honestly brother, and I don't say this in a bad way, for what you speak about "coming down" from those states, it seems you haven' had a proper Sadhana in your life.

When you had done over 50 hours of extremely intense Pranayama, careful and energised Kriyas, true master what is an Asana, a Mudra, etc...you don't know the 1% of what is possible to a human being. You think popping some chemicals it's all there is to human possibilities, just going to Peaks for some hours and then coming down to ego and weak energetic vibration again...

Yeap, unfortunately this is the problem in this forum. when you guys are going to realize that supporting you guys on psychedelics so much make you weaker, not powerful.

And this is not against psychedelics, psychedelics literally saved my life, 4-AcO-DMT was a magic tool in life. But they can't only take you so far.

When you get tired of going up and coming down, we can speak of what is actually possible for you.

But you have to become really tired of those comedowns

 Something inside you must intuit there's more than that ??‍♂️

And I guess one can not push that, you either get tired of it and go to higher things, or not. It will just take time I guess.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

On 20.6.2023 at 10:21 AM, Javfly33 said:

@Carl-Richard @Lila9 @Davino @Benton  Having said that, I do acknowledge that because of the ego traumas or attachments, maybe there is a lot of rage on my 'teaching', and it's not politically correct.

Each day I do a yoga posture where impressive amounts of rage, power and intensity came up, I am Conscious the ego its realising something and as a relief, this rage and 'violence' its coming up. But it's not mine. It's just happening. 

The traumas or attachments egos is not my problem. Those things can be worked, relieved or let go, but its not something I do, it's something that happens and the fastest it happens great, but focusing on that aspect its a big mistake.

It´s precisely when you forget about the egos problems, when they actually start to come up to the surface effortlessly and get relieved. 

Also, no human avatar its perfect. 

 

Yes, absolutely. There is a lot to work on.

I wouldn't´say I don't face the fact that there is work to do. But people think the work is working on healing the human.

People should treat the human as a meat-body, nothing else. Forget the human, go and activate true Intelligence, true Power.

 

The work is how to master your skill to open the now (as you say).

This skill has nothing to do with the ego and mind bullshit, it's an energetic, or imaginary Skill, that God can have. 

The less you are lost in the ego horror story, the more time you have to actually work on what is important, that is opening the now (in my case, I say 'energy skills', but its kind of the same, its just words to describe a certain skill beyond mind, language, intellect and limitation). 
 

 

What‘s the yoga pose?

[Reciprocality]

Your are just talking shit with no clear vision of the way of things.

In the actual world people have to go through stages of development, if you study people and their patterns of behaviour it will become obvious.

Lets call it an insight! 

[Carl-Richard]

43 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

In the actual world people have to go through stages of development, if you study people and their patterns of behaviour it will become obvious.

Trueee.

[SOUL]

So raging at others who don't accept your word as gospel truth is now them raging at you? Wow...just wow.

[SeaMonster]

The relationship between healing psychological dysfunction and nondual awakening or enlightenment is much more nuanced and interesting than mere nonduality dogma that "enlightenment is all you need."

What happens in reality is that enlightenment rids one of the problem of the I-thought, which clings to certain personality aspects (i.e. The Ego.)

So shadow work is much more difficult and less fruitful before enlightenment.

It doesn't mean shadow work doesn't take place after enlightenment.  You're not just magically saved after you see through the I-thought.

That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works!

Only then can the process of shadow integration really proceed without resistance, and it takes many years for it to get far enough so that you can say you are anywhere close to "healed."

But if you lazy motherfuckers think you're just going to be magically saved after reaching enlightenment, you're in for a world of disappointment.  

The issue is that you have decades of habits built up from having an ego that don't just magically disappear.  You have to use you new insights to rebuild your habit structure, so that negative habits are shed and positive habits ingrained.  That's what "heals" the brain (i.e. trauma patterns, maladaptation, etc.)

You could do that now, but you won't, because your ego is in the way.  None of this stuff is mystical or complicated.  It's just difficult to change because of the ego, that's all.

Edited June 21, 2023 by SeaMonster