General thread about the war in Ukraine

[mojsterr]

The last paragraph is a very interesting one. Thank you.

[Blackhawk]

On 2023-06-22 at 2:14 PM, Starlight321 said:

 

However I don't think ukraine can win but they have too much sacrificed to lose too. So they have improve their situation for the negotiations by giving russia some kind of strategic defeat. They are also under huge pressure from the donator countries to get some results in the south so they have to put their people in the meat grinder. But instead of the russians (they have finally improved that as well) they also try to minimize casuslties hence they don't break through. 

An the other side the russians think that they will capture the annexed terretories eventually in 2-3 years and they as a former superpower can't let a defeat ever happen. So they invest more and more ressources and seem to increase their military production a lot which btw europian countries still haven't. The russians are also afraid of ukraine joining nato if they lose and the conflict is solved in the ukrainians favour which was one of the reasons for the war at the beginning. There are more reasons from the russian perspective which contradicts  other perspectives like protecting russian people. Leo has explained that very well in a thread a year ago, you can find it.

In this conflict are so many interests involved that go beyond the things I mentioned but this more or less explaines why still fighting is going on. There are companies like the military industrial complex that drive the conflict on a lower level though but this has to fit in the context I explaint to get a better picture.  But there are also coorparates in the economy that would more profit from peace. So one has to keep that in mind too.

Now even Prigozhin says that the reasons which Kremlin gave for the invasion are lies. You mentioned some of them above, except that Ukrainians are nazis.

When will you guys wake up and stop falling for the Kremlin propaganda.

Oh and btw, one way or another Ukraine will win.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/stunning-rebuke-putin-wagner-chief-russias-invasion-ukraine/story?id=100335756

"The implicit picture Prigozhin gave of Putin as weak and out of touch was also remarkable, implying he was manipulated by a clan of wealthy businessmen around him and lied to by his military. The war, as described by Prigozhin, was not about protecting Russia or resisting NATO expansion, but instead greed.

'The war was needed by oligarchs,' Prigozhin said. 'It was needed by that clan that today practically rule Russia.' He added Russia's "sacred war" had 'turned into a racket.'

Prigozhin also said in Friday's video that the two goals Putin announced at the start of the war— the "demilitarization" and "de-Nazification" of Ukraine—were 'pretty stories.'"

[Something Funny]

Wagner has "attacked" Russia now. It looks like Rostov was already captured by them and there are some fights going on near Voronezh.

[supremeyingyang]

@Something Funny

sheesh, where do you found the Info of the fights?

[Something Funny]

@supremeyingyang on telegram. They are being posted by both Russian and Ukrainian channels.

So far I saw posts and videos oabput several Russian helicopters being shot down, oil terminal explosion (seemingly after an air strike) in voronezh, wagner column being bombed on a highway, and just general videos from civilians with the sounds of shooting and explosions.

https://t.me/sobolevtam/4226

https://t.me/ASupersharij/20871

https://t.me/ASupersharij/20837

https://t.me/lachentyt/30953?single

https://t.me/lachentyt/30933

https://t.me/ASupersharij/20886

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by Something Funny

[supremeyingyang]

@Something Funny

спасибо

[Something Funny]

There are posts saying that Wagner troops have passed Yelets, which is about 400km away from Moscow. 

It seems likely that they are either going to face Russian regular army and start a full on fighting sometime soon or will be in Moscow by the end of the day.

[supremeyingyang]

@Something Funny

Let's see what happens

[Something Funny]

@supremeyingyang lol, this shit wrapped up pretty quickly

[supremeyingyang]

20 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@supremeyingyang lol, this shit wrapped up pretty quickly

wait for it, it ain't over