What is absolutely irresistible to girls?

[D2sage]

Learn to eat pussy and she will find you irresistible.

 

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

20 hours ago, integral said:

  ?unconscious people attract unconscious people

I am 100% sure its the she was not hooked properly, I dont like using the word hooked doe its simply forming a good connection and impression on her. By the time your kissing she should of opened up to you about her entire life and feel comfortable talking to you about anything. If you showed her your value she would of stuck around. Your value is not your status or money, all this is superficial, your value is she loves talking to you, she knows she can trust you, she always feels good when your around.

Showmanship is not it. It can work to get shallow results but its a gimmick. Its important to always go deep into conversation dont idle in small talk and expect results.

Its a balance between humor and a sense that the conversation is meaningful. She has to feel like something meaningful happend when she spoke to you. 

This is very insightful.

 Thought I reached hook-point. I was testing frame and compliance the entire time. When her friends left she turned and squared up to me, legs open and we were very close space wise. She was telling me everything about herself and was boosting herself to me. 

But, she was also drinking.

I think I come off as too gamey like a "flirt".

How do you manage to balance the "logical/platonic" vs "non-platonic" without seeming gamey?

Edited June 15, 2023 by MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI

[Kowabunga]

11 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

Nothing matters unless you are physical attractive, emotional maturity and personality mean nothing unless you are are sexy on a physical level. Women will actually make excuses for violent, antisocial with terrible personalities if they are attractive enough. Developing spiritually as a man does nothing for you romantically, young men would be less resentful and disappointed if we stopped lying to them. We have to stop this myth that female attraction is somehow more noble and mysterious.

For most of human history a minority of men mated, most got nothing. We had a couple of centuries of enforced monogamy where women had to attach themselves to a man but those days are over at least in the west. Women are free to really respond to their desires freely and it is clear that physical attraction is paramount. Men are now destroying their legs to get taller, doing cosmetic surgery whitening their skin this is not coming out of nowhere.

Men are pragmatic. If being a spiritually evolved, kind, emotional person made them attractive we wouldn't be where we are in terms of the dating game.

Ding ding ding!  Wake up you guys, this man speaks truth.  Just because your little egos can’t handle it and “you know some ugly short guy that has a hot gf”  does not disprove what he is saying.  This theory should be baseline to work off of 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Kowabunga said:

Ding ding ding!  Wake up you guys, this man speaks truth.  Just because your little egos can’t handle it and “you know some ugly short guy that has a hot gf”  does not disprove what he is saying.  This theory should be baseline to work off of 

It all depends on what type of women you're dealing with. That is no baseline theory to work off of...don't fool yourself just because it sounds good to your ears or it's what you've experienced. Like you said, it's all theory.

[Intraplanetary]

15 hours ago, D2sage said:

Learn to eat pussy and she will find you irresistible.

 

for every real man out there: https://www.amazon.co.uk/She-Comes-First-Thinking-Pleasuring-ebook/dp/B000FC1PRK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2HDL3X7KALQ6I&keywords=she+comes+first&qid=1686904509&sprefix=%2Caps%2C229&sr=8-1

[GLORY]

thick neck,
wide shoulders,
height, 
jawline,
dominance, 
confidence

[Princess Arabia]

@Lila9. I couldn't have said it better.

[GLORY]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

That's not the complete truth. There are many men who may be considered physically attractive but possess negative personality traits, immaturity, and low consciousness. While it's true that some of them may end up with partners who share similar characteristics, it is not accurate to say that all women would settle for such individuals. In general, psychologically healthy women would not tolerate poor behavior from men, regardless of their physical appearance. Women who have a healthy integration of their feminine side often possess developed intuition, enabling them to identify and avoid toxic individuals.

It is also incorrect to claim that looks are completely unimportant to women. Like men, women appreciate aesthetics. However, the perception of beauty can be highly subjective and influenced by a woman's personal qualities, her feelings towards the man in question, and whether she feels safe, loved, protected, sexy, and feminine in his presence. Trust, maturity and the ability to meet her needs are important factors as well.

Setting aside what I wrote here and looking at your assumption that women are solely drawn to looks, let's consider what options you propose for average-looking men: Should they do nothing and harbor bitterness towards women for the rest of their lives and believe they are entitled to date only "hot chicks" while ignoring women who are similarly average-looking?

Would it not be healthier for them to develop self awareness, accept reality, and build meaningful relationships with women who are on a similar level? Focusing on personal growth, character development, and pursuing important life goals can be more fulfilling than simply seeking validation through sleeping with conventionally attractive women and conforming to societal notions of masculinity.

No one is lying to young men. They are not victims, and they bear responsibility for their emotions. It is true that some of them may experience feelings of resentment and disappointment because they cannot be intimate with their ideal partners or have multiple sexual encounters in order to validate their masculinity.

But it is important to recognize that seeking validation solely through sexual experiences with attractive individuals will not address their underlying emotional and psychological issues. True healing goes hand by hand with spirituality.

As someone mentioned earlier, having a spiritual ego is unattractive. Many men with spiritual egos complain that women are not attracted to them, but in reality, they often come across as toxic and snobbish or simply put a fake nice facade because this is how they believe that spiritual people should behave. This behavior is highly unappealing.

Being truly spiritual man involves actively participating in practices like trauma healing, shadow work, tantra, contemplation, meditation yoga etc. for the purpose of personal and spiritual growth, while cultivating a connection with a higher source. It is crucial to note that true spirituality does not involve feeling superior to others. Rather, it is characterized by humility, an authentic desire for growth, and a genuine connection with oneself and others.

When one's spiritual journey originates from a genuine place, there is a possibility of attracting the right partner, and at that stage, the goal is not to magnetize every woman featured in magazines, found on porn sites, or encountered in nightclubs. Instead, the focus is on attracting unique women who are compatible with one's own uniqueness. Genuine spirituality allows individuals to form connections with like minded individuals who appreciate and resonate with their authentic selves.

so basically a thick neck. i agree

[integral]

1 minute ago, GLORY said:

so basically a thick neck. i agree

The forum is not a place to blindly push red pill ideology (coming from frustration and resentment) with a unwillingness to learn.  

[Kowabunga]

4 hours ago, integral said:

The forum is not a place to blindly push red pill ideology (coming from frustration and resentment) with a unwillingness to learn.  

Most attraction occurs before any words are even said and women place themselves near you and show interest in weird ways… if you are unattractive they will never do this and most likely avoid you so to discount what he is saying is foolish

[Kowabunga]

We are basically animals that can talk with a higher iq, look at how apes mate, its very generic attraction and i dont think we are far off from animals and mating it is mainly physical attraction

[Tenebroso]

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8 hours ago, Lila9 said:

That's not the complete truth. There are many men who may be considered physically attractive but possess negative personality traits, immaturity, and low consciousness. While it's true that some of them may end up with partners who share similar characteristics, it is not accurate to say that all women would settle for such individuals. In general, psychologically healthy women would not tolerate poor behavior from men, regardless of their physical appearance. Women who have a healthy integration of their feminine side often possess developed intuition, enabling them to identify and avoid toxic individuals.

Psychological health is a dynamic spectrum there is no precise finishing line to self development and there is often a discrepancy between who a person thinks they are and what they actually respond to.  All humans have the capacity to be intuitive. This idea that women even the most developed possess an intuition that enables them to identify and avoid toxic individuals does not seem to match the reality of what is actually happening day to day. What is true is that negative assumptions are made about unattractive men before they even have a chance to show their personality and positive quality. While they seem to miss red flags in attractive men. So this 'intuition' seems to exist to filter unattractive men out of the dating pool and then to justify this filtering undesirable men are vilified e.g "you are not really nice", "it's your personality, "your a horrible person, women can tell" etc 

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It is also incorrect to claim that looks are completely unimportant to women. Like men, women appreciate aesthetics. However, the perception of beauty can be highly subjective and influenced by a woman's personal qualities, her feelings towards the man in question, and whether she feels safe, loved, protected, sexy, and feminine in his presence. Trust, maturity and the ability to meet her needs are important factors as well.

On a macro level perception of beauty is not very subjective. Modern dating would look very different if women actually chose men based on whether she feels safe, loved, protected, sexy, and feminine in his presence. The majority of women are attracted to a minority of men, the stark difference between the love lives of the most sexually/romantically successful men is not due to maturity, kindness and all the supposed qualities that don't really come into play realistically until you are actually in a relationship.

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Setting aside what I wrote here and looking at your assumption that women are solely drawn to looks, let's consider what options you propose for average-looking men: Should they do nothing and harbor bitterness towards women for the rest of their lives and believe they are entitled to date only "hot chicks" while ignoring women who are similarly average-looking?

Would it not be healthier for them to develop self awareness, accept reality, and build meaningful relationships with women who are on a similar level? Focusing on personal growth, character development, and pursuing important life goals can be more fulfilling than simply seeking validation through sleeping with conventionally attractive women and conforming to societal notions of masculinity.

I don't think men should do nothing and harbor bitterness towards women for the rest of their lives. Women don't really need men today they can have successful, productive lives and even have children all without the involvement of a man. So primal attraction has become the most important factor to whether two people will become involved with each other, most men without the artificial framework that patriarchy provided do not have the natural desirability to really have a chance . On a macro level the masculine is being to challenged to reevaluate it's role. I believe many men who are struggling are not far away from being able to have great love lives, with minor adjustments in grooming, perspective, style etc they can do well. Unfortunately a large number of men way more than it is comfortable to admit do not have a chance and lying to them only creates more resent and bitterness. There are other ways to live fulfilling lives we have calculus and the sistine chapel because of men who completely devoted themselves to their art/craft. So each individual man has to take honest inventory of himself with unflinching honesty, ask himself "who am I", what do I want", "What has been the pattern of my life up to this point" and "what can I control"

Men are absolutely not entitled to hot chicks nor do the vast majority feel they are entitled to hot chicks, this is a big myth and I have to say it is  borderline gaslighting used to shut down conversation. The quiet plain girl down the road and the shy girl in the library are just as unreachable for most men as a supermodel there is little discernible difference. This is one of the most hurtful myths, the vast majority of men struggling are not where they are because they are chasing Bella Hadid wannabes it is a terrible lie that has to stop, regular women get attention but it is not the attention they want from the top men. They consider men on their level invisible.

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No one is lying to young men. They are not victims, and they bear responsibility for their emotions. It is true that some of them may experience feelings of resentment and disappointment because they cannot be intimate with their ideal partners or have multiple sexual encounters in order to validate their masculinity.

But it is important to recognize that seeking validation solely through sexual experiences with attractive individuals will not address their underlying emotional and psychological issues. True healing goes hand by hand with spirituality.

I agree men are not victims but they are absolutely being lied to and gaslighted. It is easy to speak of not seeking validation from sex if you have never dealt with constant rejection and shaming before you even reach adulthood. The essence of human beings is not a house with separate rooms isolated from each other figuratively speaking, every room of our essence is connected to the other there is no separation so while sexuality does not account for the overall well being and development of a person it is as vital as the psychological and emotional parts of ourselves and there is a constant feedback loop. True development does not really take place until sexuality is integrated and that is not done by ignoring it.

To say it is just about validating masculinity is dismissive and not even close to the angle I am coming from. Most men I have to reiterate are not where they are because of a yearning for attractive individuals, the dating game is brutal for most men and most are bought down to earth very quickly.

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As someone mentioned earlier, having a spiritual ego is unattractive. Many men with spiritual egos complain that women are not attracted to them, but in reality, they often come across as toxic and snobbish or simply put a fake nice facade because this is how they believe that spiritual people should behave. This behavior is highly unappealing.

Being truly spiritual man involves actively participating in practices like trauma healing, shadow work, tantra, contemplation, meditation yoga etc. for the purpose of personal and spiritual growth, while cultivating a connection with a higher source. It is crucial to note that true spirituality does not involve feeling superior to others. Rather, it is characterized by humility, an authentic desire for growth, and a genuine connection with oneself and others.

I agree a spiritual ego is not good but we are not really talking about that, most men have not reached the level of development to even have a spiritual ego. I have never met a man with a big ego who struggles with women whether that is a spiritual ego, an ego based on status, wealth looks etc A big ego healthy or not does not impede on a man's romantic success with 'psychologically healthy' or unhealthy women. If spiritual ego is so bad then why do women fall in love with cult leaders?

I agree in the value and importance of all those practices you listed. Yes personal growth and developing a relationship with source are very important no disagreement there. I find the idea of "true spirituality" dubious. I think presence and objectivity are more important than humility or arrogance there are seasons in an individual's life where humility is necessary and there are seasons where a bit of arrogance is necessary, perhaps to complete an unlikely career move, go for that high qualification job despite not having all the credentials etc I don't think it is healthy to be an absolutist when it comes to humility.

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When one's spiritual journey originates from a genuine place, there is a possibility of attracting the right partner, and at that stage, the goal is not to magnetize every woman featured in magazines, found on porn sites, or encountered in nightclubs. Instead, the focus is on attracting unique women who are compatible with one's own uniqueness. Genuine spirituality allows individuals to form connections with like minded individuals who appreciate and resonate with their authentic selves.

Again who decides what true spirituality is whether or not it is coming from a genuine place. A persons own true motivations can often be a mystery to themselves, life is inherently mysterious we don't always have the answers. Again with this myth women "featured in every magazine, porn, in nightclubs" such an helpful trope with little relationship with reality. When men are resentful and bitter it is not because they cannot attract a Claudia Schiffer clone, their favourite pornstar or the bombshell in the nightclubs, it is regular everyday women who reject these men and frankly feel above these men. The average man does not reach 30 years old without having a brutal reality check on what is possible for him. I don't believe there is someone for everyone, life is not fair.

A person may develop spiritually and psychologically and attract nothing. For men particularly it actually might get more difficult the more conscious, aware and evolved you are. If there is such thing as an authentic self in other words a soul, an essence then it's primary task is to experience and learn and that may mean doing unexpected things including pursuing situations and people who on the surface level are not healthy so this idea that so called genuine spirituality magnetises the authentic selves of compatible people to each other is misguided in my opinion. There are many layers to a human being and the different parts of ourselves often have competing intentions i.e our sexual self might want something different from our psychological and/or emotional self, the old brain (amygdala) is in constant battle with the new brain (pre-fontal cortex).

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Tenebroso

[Kowabunga]

This dude wins, thread closed

[Leo Gura]

The key is a thicc dick.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

The key is a thicc dick.

Ouch!! That hurts.

[Yimpa]

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ouch!! That hurts.

Perhaps thicc and small is the way to go. I personally know someone who loves that

[Hello from Russia]

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Hello from Russia

[Ulax]

@MarkKol I would say non-neediness/ detachment from outcome

[gettoefl]

for me it's, he brings the money she brings the honey

show me the one who wants the unemployed barely making it guy, show me the one who wants the wall-flower gal with the walmart style

she better be looking good, he better be doing good

deny it all we like, everything else is icing

we all want to continue the life of decadence we have thus far indulged in

who wants to take a step down in status and standards in the name of love?

no way! what would my parents and social media say if they saw me holding hands with such a person?

have you lost your mind!

 

 

[Raze]

14 hours ago, Lila9 said:

 

Many unattractive men lack social skills, social calibration, tact, empathy, and integration of traits that facilitate connections between humans. They might have a type of humor that comes across as toxic to women, but they are unaware of this because they surround themselves with guys who constantly validate their immature sense of humor.

But women don't need men who are misogynistic, provide no value, are immature, lack the ability to form intimate connections, lack social calibration, are terrible fathers, exhibit toxic masculine traits, or have a victim mentality.

When many men act in such ways due to the permission granted by the patriarchy, which allows men to behave however they want without facing severe consequences, and when stereotypical and sexist beliefs about women are considered the "absolute truth" by so many men, it's understandable from a woman's perspective to prefer avoiding men as much as possible if the majority act in such manners. It's better to be an independent woman and remain single throughout life than to be with such types of men.

 

The problem with your argument is you’re assuming a man’s success with women is based on his psychological health and moral values, and men aren’t successful with women because of traditional “patriarchal” beliefs.

This isn’t true. A man can be a psychologically healthy and moral person but still fail with women for other reasons. Being psychologically healthy and moral isn’t necessarily related to many of the key things that make men better with women, such as looks, height, charisma, wealth, and past experience with women. There are plenty of great guys who are psychologically healthy and morally good, but they will still struggle with women because they lack these features.

Conversely, a man can actually be psychologically unhealthy and immoral or toxic but still do better or even great with women because they do have these traits. For proof of this, see how many women are constantly complaining about the men they were with using them just for sex, cheating on them, mistreating them, or even abusing them. Those men were toxic, but were still able to attract women.

It’s the same with women. A extremely beautiful and social woman will always get more attention than a less attractive and reserved woman, even if the former is a horrible person and the latter is a saint. Perhaps the latter will end up having a better relationship long term, but when it comes to the initial attraction phase, that isn’t necessarily related to moral or healthy values.

Studies have consistently found men higher in dark triad traits (narcissism, psychopathy, and machivallenism) tend to have disproportianetly more sexual partners and even appear more attractive to women. Studies have even found women, even self proclaimed feminists, were more attracted to men who behaved in (benevolently) sexist ways.
 

What feminists call “the patriarchy” is really just traditional cultural influences. The irony is, men who are more “patriarchal” actually do far better with women. Studies find conservative and traditional men are more likely to be married, less likely to divorce, and have  more satisfying marriages. There was recently a viral tiktok of a liberal woman complaining how she can’t meet a liberal man who will take the traditional role. Women still want a man who is confident, dominant, leads, provides, and protects, that is “patriarchy”, because those are the values that persisted over time and dominated most cultures. The men who are abandoning all notion of this in favor of liberalism are doing way worse with women and in life in a multitude of ways.

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This is not a myth because I have heard countless times how average men discuss women's appearances using numerical ratings, how they judge specific body parts and mock them when they do not meet societal beauty standards. There is a valid reason why women subject themselves to dangerous procedures in order to conform to conventional standards of beauty. The pressure to do so does not arise out of nowhere.

That doesn’t mean the pressure arises from men, mainstream female beauty standards are often not even related to what the average man things, surveys have been done and found the average model is actually significantly skinnier than what the most popular female body type is among men for example. 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Raze