Cornel West For President?

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

On 2023-06-09 at 6:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

Now this is interesting:

 

   Am not sure about this, share a similar take to the below:

@DocWatts

On 2023-06-09 at 3:53 PM, DocWatts said:

Unfortunately, until Ranked Choice Voting gets implemented everywhere in the country, voting for third party candidates is effectively a form of Game Denial that cedes political power to a fascistic Republican Party. 

Keeping democracy from collapsing is what everyone with a conscionable political outlook needs to be laser focused on right now. 

   Until there's some infrastructure for a third party system, rushing there may be catastrophic.

[Leo Gura]

I wasn't speak to his chances of winning. I was speaking to the refreshing tone of his message.

A philosopher President. Now that's an idea!

Edited June 13, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Juan]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A philosopher Predisent. Now that's an idea!

Good point, I have to study him.

[Tanz]

13 hours ago, abundance said:

Jill Stein in 2016 led to Trump,

Come on. The democratic party is supposed to be progressive. From Obama to Hillary was a huge downgrade and people just didn't feel like voting. Imagine coming from Chris Hemsworth to Elliott Page. One minute you are dating a tall handsome gorgeous man the next one you are dating a man with a strap on.  Thats what progressives felt about Obama to Hillary.

Trumps out of power now and the country isn't even 1 percent better which means he wasn't the major problem  

Blaming Jill for Trump isn't looking inward 

The democrats just know they just don't want the other side but in a vacuum, there isn't any candidate on the left that is capable of bringing the country together that they can honestly stand behind.  

Edited June 13, 2023 by Tanz

[Danioover9000]

@Tanz

7 hours ago, Tanz said:

Come on. The democratic party is supposed to be progressive. From Obama to Hillary was a huge downgrade and people just didn't feel like voting. Imagine coming from Chris Hemsworth to Elliott Page. One minute you are dating a tall handsome gorgeous man the next one you are dating a man with a strap on.  Thats what progressives felt about Obama to Hillary.

Trumps out of power now and the country isn't even 1 percent better which means he wasn't the major problem  

Blaming Jill for Trump isn't looking inward 

The democrats just know they just don't want the other side but in a vacuum, there isn't any candidate on the left that is capable of bringing the country together that they can honestly stand behind.  

   True, at this point they need a militant leader or something to give order and organization to the democrats. As a movement the left wing is too divided with this and that, not unified in one single vison and are suffering from collective schizophrenia of too many voices squabbling for more power and attention with all this LGBTQ and all alphabets and numbers people, like how are they supposed to plan effectively, when every attempt at a ranking priority or a hierarchy list is shut down, and another list is made, but is shut down, like how?

   If this is a chess game, the left wing are in a perpetual check patterns within their own side, meanwhile dealing with very vocal and immature right wing alt right types, and also very vocal SJW online progressive types. How can they resolve this tricky issue whilst being a democracy and not regress back into an autocracy? 

[Tanz]

@Danioover9000 The majority of Americans do not feel the politicians represent them.  If the citizens demand 4-7 parties there will be a wider array of voices for all the citizens.  

Switzerland has 16 parties, and Sweden has 8 to name a few. In these respective countries, a balanced distribution within parliament has to be represented by each party. 

Its asinine that America isn't even moving in that direction and the worst part is Americans keep themselves enslaved by 2 parties to create the rules.
Trump pushed operation warp speed and produced a vaccine in less than a year, to create a fair system of governing should not be hard.  Oh wait! the vaccine was produced to enrich big pharma billions of billlions.  Creating democracy will cost them money.. OOOOOOooooooo   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Switzerland

[DocWatts]

For third parties to be viable in America, at a minimum we would need either a federal law or constitutional amendment that requires Ranked Choice Voting everywhere in the country.  Without that, our first past the post voting system ensures that third parties running in national elections have effectively zero chance at winning. To list a historical example, if a prolific former president like Teddy Roosevelt wasn't able to win an election running for reelection as a third Party, what chance do any of these tiny third parties have? If you want more political choices, push for electoral reforms before throwing your vote away on a third party.

[Tanz]

@DocWatts Those are good points but do you really think the dems and rep really want to implement rank choice voting and then move in the direction of 3rd, 4th party?  

The citizens need to believe in the possibility or be enraged enough to push for change.  Imagine if Cornell West becomes so loved by the nation and ends up losing anyways, how would the citizens react?  

It took MLK getting capped in the face for people to force change to happen, I really don't want to see anything violent or horrific for change to catalyze.  

Failure to the point of rage traditionally creates the most change and I'm afraid that maybe the only way for long-term change.  

[vindicated erudite]

Im not American but I think you guys should bring back Obama.

[Leo Gura]

17 hours ago, vindicated erudite said:

Im not American but I think you guys should bring back Obama.

Obama cannot run for president ever again.

[DocWatts]

On 6/14/2023 at 0:52 AM, Tanz said:

@DocWatts Those are good points but do you really think the dems and rep really want to implement rank choice voting and then move in the direction of 3rd, 4th party?  

The citizens need to believe in the possibility or be enraged enough to push for change.  Imagine if Cornell West becomes so loved by the nation and ends up losing anyways, how would the citizens react?  

It took MLK getting capped in the face for people to force change to happen, I really don't want to see anything violent or horrific for change to catalyze.  

Failure to the point of rage traditionally creates the most change and I'm afraid that maybe the only way for long-term change.  

I believe that the dems at least could be bullied into it if the idea catches on enough that there's a real public push for it. Ranked choice voting does exist already in some areas of the country (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina after a quick google search). 

Thing is, even if ranked choice was adopted everywhere tomorrow, it's not like the Green Party or some independent is going to be a serious threat to the dems and the repubs being the two primary political parties in America. But realistically, it could allow for some independents and third parties to make baby steps, like perhaps grabbing some seats in the house of representatives, or becoming the mayor of some city.

Edited June 25, 2023 by DocWatts

[mmKay]

Obama not being able to run again is stupid AF. 

[Girzo]

3 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Thing is, even if ranked choice was adopted everywhere tomorrow, it's not like the Green Party or some independent is going to be a serious threat to the dems and the repubs being the two primary political parties in America.

It would maybe make Dems win every election and force Republican party to change. (Depending on how many pro-Dem votes are wasted on third-party option every election. I have a hunch it's quite a bit, but haven't checked.)

Edited June 25, 2023 by Girzo

[Hardkill]

On 6/24/2023 at 0:54 PM, vindicated erudite said:

Im not American but I think you guys should bring back Obama.

As Leo said, Obama is unable run for president again because according to the Twenty-second Amendment (Amendment XXII) of the US constitution, no American citizen is ever allowed to be elected president for more than 2 terms throughout his/her entire life. Each presidential term is 4 years long. Obama already served as POTUS for all 8 years by first being elected president in 2008 for one term and then re-elected in 2012 for a second term. 

In fact, no US president in the history of the country ever served more than two terms, except for FDR, who ran country as president for over 12 years. The reason is FDR was able to do so and did so was for a number of reasons including: 

1. FDR was president from 1933 to 1945 and the Twenty-second Amendment wasn't ratified as an amendment to the Constitution until 1951.

2. He was incredibly charismatic and popular. 

3. Most Americans acknowledged him as a legendary hero or savior because of how much his policies immensely not only helped saved the entire country from two of the worst national crises ever in US history, but also made the entire country even so much better than it ever was before for the people during his time as well as for the generations of people who would follow.

4. Even though most Americans before FDR's time were averse to the idea of anyone being president for more than two terms due to the fear of anyone holding onto such tremendous power for life like a monarch or dictator, most Americans during his presidency, felt the great need to have him be POTUS for an unusually long period of time. This was because because of the first three above mentioned reasons; therefore, they believed that he was the only person in America at the time who can save them from any crisis. 

 

In any case, Biden was Obama's VP throughout all of Obama's presidency, has been a center-left Democrat who has been shifting gradually more and more to the left, and has already gotten done arguably more positive liberal policies for the country than Obama did when he was president. So, Biden has essentially been kind of a third Obama term but in some ways even better than what Obama accomplished as president.

Edited June 25, 2023 by Hardkill

[thenondualtankie]

How do they expect anyone to fully lead the country if they have to swap out the leader every few years? The whole term limits business is fucking stupid.