What are your opinions on China

[Blackhawk]

19 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

USA killed off 10 million civilians in middle east . how is China worser than USA . USA is worse than china if u ask me

 

Also i am not blaming anyone here . i am only telling u to stop getting pulled into this drama. every country on the planet will commit genocide if they get a chance. as a common man, we should not get pulled into this drama

USA kills only terrorists and other evil people. Yes there is some collateral damage but it's not possible to completely avoid it.

Your drama seems to be to not get pulled into the drama.

"every country on the planet will commit genocide if they get a chance."

That's obviously not true. Projection maybe?

 

USA and west has the heart in the right place.  China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, India, etc. don't.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Blackhawk

[Ramanujan]

10 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

USA kills only terrorists and other evil people. Yes there is some collateral damage but it's not possible to completely avoid it.

Your drama seems to be to not get pulled into the drama.

 

who is a terrorist and who is not?

 the term "terrrorist" is not well defined.

 the terrorist that US killed in middle east , were  called freedom fighters by their country

if someone fight for my country against US , the people in my country will  call them freedom fighters , The people in US will call them Terrorist

 

 

10 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

 

USA and west has the heart in the right place.  China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, India, etc. don't.

i am an Indian. India commited genocide against the poor countries near India.  India has destroyed a country called srilanka . India commited a lot of genocide within India and in the neighbouring countries

 

USA has no heart. they killed off innocent 10  millions in middle east for profit . they killed a lot  of people in middle east .

 

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Edited June 2, 2023 by Ramanujan

[Ramanujan]

Again i am not blaming anyone in this forum for the war crimes some country has commited. all i am saying is to not get pulled into this drama

[puporing]

Nobody is stopping anyone to start a thread about "critiquing the USA" if they wanted... but why do some keep trying to shut down discussions about China? It happens like every time. They just come out of the woodworks. It's like you can't say anything bad about this country even in the west. That's some effective mass brainwash they've done.

Edited June 2, 2023 by puporing

[Roy]

I honestly think the West should learn to play nice and not demonize them too much or expect them to hold up to our standards of human rights. War and hostility is in nobodies best interest. We depend on each other too much for trade and economic stability.

We should show some more respect and acknowledge their civilization has been around a LOT longer than ours, and they've endured til now and are continuing to rise as a world power.

[puporing]

How is trying to objectively talk about something equivalent to "starting a war"? How you ever gonna change things if people don't know the truth about a thing? This is how abusers get away with shit, by having minions around them that constantly shut others down.

[Blackhawk]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

I honestly think the West should learn to play nice and not demonize them too much or expect them to hold up to our standards of human rights. War and hostility is in nobodies best interest. We depend on each other too much for trade and economic stability.

We should show some more respect and acknowledge their civilization has been around a LOT longer than ours, and they've endured til now and are continuing to rise as a world power.

Until they attack Taiwan, a innocent democracy, with the help of our money?

[Roy]

4 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

Until they attack Taiwan, a innocent democracy, with the help of our money?

If we need to abandon Taiwan in order to avoid a full scale war and world ending nuclear exchange, that's a fair price to pay.

The world order is changing. Did you think US hegemony and global democracy was going to be the norm indefinitely for hundreds of years?

Of course fucking not.

[Blackhawk]

24 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

USA has no heart. they killed off innocent 10  millions in middle east for profit . they killed a lot  of people in middle east .

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Just now, Roy said:

If we need to abandon Taiwan in order to avoid a full scale war and world ending nuclear exchange, that's a fair price to pay.

The world order is changing. Did you think US hegemony and global democracy was going to be the norm indefinitely for hundreds of years?

Of course fucking not.

So countries who have nukes are free to do whatever they want? They can take any countries they want? Sounds like a really bad idea.

Not only is Taiwan a innocent flourishing democracy with the heart in the right place, but we are also dependent on their production of semiconductors. If China would annex Taiwan then it's over for west, for all of us.

So no, we can't and wont give Taiwan to the aggressors.

[Roy]

5 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

So countries who have nukes are free to do whatever they want?

Yes lmao.

5 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

So no, we can't and wont give Taiwan to the aggressors.

That remains to be seen I guess.

[Guest Tobia]

1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:

USA kills only terrorists and other evil people. Yes there is some collateral damage but it's not possible to completely avoid it.

@Blackhawk the dude is smoking something lol you prove that self-delusion and self-deception have no limit ? 

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2023/IndirectDeaths

"This report reviews the latest research to examine the causal pathways that have led to an estimated 3.6-3.7 million indirect deaths in post-9/11 war zones, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. The total death toll in these war zones could be at least 4.5-4.6 million and counting"

[Guest Tobia]

@Blackhawk

1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:

USA and west has the heart in the right place.  China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, India, etc. don't.

China spent $1 Trillion building infrustructure in Africa and Latin America in recent years

China has started zero wars.

The US spent $8 Trillion bombing 7 countries' infrustructure in the last 20 years

 

[TheAlchemist]

China is securing lots of influence in key mineral and raw material sourcing countries around the world, especially in Africa. As the world system is slowly shifting away from an oil/fossil burning economy in favor of renewables, there will be and is already an explosion in demand for earth metals/minerals to build the needed infrastructure for solar panels, wind mills, batteries, electricity transportation etc. The US has the world oil trade gripped by the balls, but the mineral market not so much.. Interesting times ahead

Edited June 2, 2023 by TheAlchemist

[Blackhawk]

@Tobia How many people have the Police in your country killed in total?

Many.

Does that make the Police bad? No.

Stop with the bs.

[Blackhawk]

1 hour ago, Tobia said:

@Blackhawk

China spent $1 Trillion building infrustructure in Africa and Latin America in recent years

China has started zero wars.

The US spent $8 Trillion bombing 7 countries' infrustructure in the last 20 years

North Korea has started zero wars in modern times.

But we all know that North Korea is evil anyway. Except you maybe. All you care about is some death numbers and amount of wars started. You don't comprehend the difference between good and bad.

If US would start another war by declaring war against Russia and kill 2 million Russians (soldiers), then US would still have a heart of gold. Would actually have a even better heart then.

It was also ok when US intentionally killed civilians in WW2, because it was what was needed to defend the good side.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Blackhawk

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

7 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

China is making a lot of money .  Chinese economy is growing super fast . USA see this as a threat . So USA is using social media to deamonize China and making the common man hate Chine . dont fall for this garbage . Worry about yourself instead of being pulled into this drama

Question your biases.

[UnlovingGod]

11 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

North Korea has started zero wars in modern times.

But we all know that North Korea is evil anyway. Except you maybe. All you care about is some death numbers and amount of wars started. You don't comprehend the difference between good and bad.

If US would start another war by declaring war against Russia and kill 2 million Russians (soldiers), then US would still have a heart of gold. Would actually have a even better heart then.

It was also ok when US intentionally killed civilians in WW2, because it was what was needed to defend the good side.

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

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19 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

 

Sorry, cant delete those quotes.

What do you think are china's intentions with those investements in africa and latinamerica. What do you think are US intentions in their interventions. Both want power, but there are many degrees of the goodness of power.

The US doesn't give a flying fuck about the souveranity of other countries and it can be seen in so many so obvious ways, that It would really be a disgrace of my time to elobarate them.

China has also just loyality to China. But they respect the souveranity of every country. Of course a industrialised latin america and africa are in interest of china as trade partners and future allies. But they don't care which government is governing the country, even more so that latin american countries are democratic. China doesn't care. The only one who cares, which president was elected by the people of their country is the US and you can see it in the various coups. 

If you look into the loans, those are fair conditions. Investements > overthrowing the government, not taking any responsibilities about the future of the country, not elobarating further.

[Danioover9000]

@UnlovingGod

On 2023-05-31 at 11:37 PM, UnlovingGod said:

What's your opinion on China probably becoming the next world super power and overtaking the US. I've got a certain opinion, but I don't want to share it and hear your honest thoughts.

   I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but one thing I do know, they've got some decent food there! From, won ton soup, to hot and sour soup, to pork choy main, to Dim Sam, man they mostly have nice edibles over there, plus martial arts and tai chi. Not cool with the authoritarian regime there, but Chinese culture is cool, and their teas and their Chinese drama shows.

[Danioover9000]

   To be brutally honest, ya'll are sounding like beta male bitches, over complaining about China's negatives and speculating on some of it's positives. Like, what's the timelines we're thinking in? years, decades, maybe centuries? See, if it's decades to centuries that's easily 80% of us in this forum dead by that point, so over worrying about the evils of china, as if evil only exists within China is just fear mongering. Just enjoy what you have right now, and for me it's the Dim Sam and white crackers and rice, watching some dramas play out.

[UnlovingGod]

16 hours ago, puporing said:

It's still highly tribalistic, repressive/oppressive. There're still tons of Stage Red shadows that many who haven't been around it close enough can't see (eg they won't show it to a foreigner or on television). 

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

20 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

 

People really overstimate the level of counciousness in the west, too. There are a lot of purple and a fuck ton of red and deeply blue people, too, in the US and in Europe.