How much time per day do i need to work on my dating skills

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Kid A said:

This is absolutely not the case, I'll tell you that! Daygame has given me a lot of dates, while nightgame has pretty much only given me suicide thoughts...  

Then daygame is better for you. Happy that it is working well for you, keep doing it.

Nightgame I find has an extreme bias towards masculine looking big guys, high energy extroversion and shallow talk.

If you are cute looking low energy introvert with good eloquence (like me) then daygame tends to be better 

No reason to torture yourself when you can be in your best suited habitat.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

However, as you said, it is important to consider the context when interpreting word usage. There is another meaning for the word predator which you just ignored. And that was obviously the meaning I meant. I propose that my statement above was both accurate and profound when properly interpreted.

You should really make a video on how to be "boss" and "leader" without becoming a toxic devil. I feel like many young guys, myself included really struggle with being like this due to modern society enforcing us to be meek, soft and not "toxic masculine". 

Dominance is one of the most attractive qualities in a male yet it is shamed the most and hence it is lost in our young generation. (hence incels).

Edited May 31, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Leo Gura]

@Princess Arabia You don't need a dictionary to know the most obvious meaning of what a predator is.

A tiger is a predator.

Don't overthink it.

Edited June 1, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Princess Arabia You don't need a dictionary to know the most obvious meaning of what a predator is.

A tiger is a predator.

Don't overthink it.

Ok.  Got you. ❤️

[Roy]

10 hours ago, The0Self said:

Utterly not true, just so you know.

The number/quality of women you have available to date and start relationships with, grows almost directly in proportion to the amount of money and resources you have.

Having a lot of money is the ultimate cheat code and let's you bypass being underdeveloped in every other area, like grooming, game, personality, sex, status, etc.

Edited June 1, 2023 by Roy

[Ramanujan]

35 minutes ago, Roy said:

 

Having a lot of money is the ultimate cheat code and let's you bypass being underdeveloped in every other area, like grooming, game, personality, sex, status, etc.

Dan blizerian said the same thing . he said money is the most important

[something_else]

10 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I notice you tend to be very biased against daygame. Like every time pickup is mentioned you shit on daygame.

Only a specific kind of daygame. Occasionally talking to girls you see during the day isn't bad. That's good. I do that. That's still daygame I guess.

It's just the type where you leave your house specifically to talk to lots of girls that I think is often very creepy. Guys do make it not creepy and get laid from it, but they almost always learn to convince the girl that she was not a spam approach but a one-off, because very few girls would hear that you are approaching 20 girls in a day on the street and not be turned off by it. IMO this is predatory. Especially if you're involving a bike to chase girls down, like the post I was replying to originally. That is moving into super sketchy territory.

Creeping out 50% (often more for many guys) of girls you talk to when doing daygame to get a few dates or to get laid is not really OK. At the very least it's a highly selfish mindset.

In a bar or a club you can literally tell a girl you're just out trying to get laid and she'll laugh if you have good energy. There's much less BS or lying involved. I like that a lot more.

[nhoktinvt]

17 minutes ago, something_else said:

It's just the type where you leave your house specifically to talk to lots of girls that I think is often very creepy

why its often very creepy ?

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Only a specific kind of daygame. Occasionally talking to girls you see during the day isn't bad. That's good. I do that. That's still daygame I guess.

It's just the type where you leave your house specifically to talk to lots of girls that I think is often very creepy. Guys do make it not creepy and get laid from it, but they almost always learn to convince the girl that she was not a spam approach but a one-off, because very few girls would hear that you are approaching 20 girls in a day on the street and not be turned off by it. IMO this is predatory. Especially if you're involving a bike to chase girls down, like the post I was replying to originally. That is moving into super sketchy territory.

Creeping out 50% (often more for many guys) of girls you talk to when doing daygame to get a few dates or to get laid is not really OK. At the very least it's a highly selfish mindset.

In a bar or a club you can literally tell a girl you're just out trying to get laid and she'll laugh if you have good energy. There's much less BS or lying involved. I like that a lot more.

You're probably one of the few guys here getting anywhere with females with your type of mindset. You pretty much understand the dynamic. 

[something_else]

3 hours ago, nhoktinvt said:

why its often very creepy ?

Because a high value, attractive guy should not need to go out and do spammy daygame. Their lifestyle would bring them in contact with women far more naturally and in a way that is much less forced. So if you need to go and approach 20 girls on your local high street to try and get laid, it's an indicator to women that there's something weird about you. Even if there isn't, that's the impression given off; creepy and strange.

 

[nhoktinvt]

22 minutes ago, something_else said:

Because a high value, attractive guy should not need to go out and do spammy daygame. Their lifestyle would bring them in contact with women far more naturally and in a way that is much less forced. So if you need to go and approach 20 girls on your local high street to try and get laid, it's an indicator to women that there's something weird about you. Even if there isn't, that's the impression given off; creepy and strange.

 

i see, you focus on your life purpose and getting laid is a byproduct of such lifestyle am i correct ?

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, something_else said:

Guys do make it not creepy and get laid from it, but they almost always learn to convince the girl that she was not a spam approach but a one-off, because very few girls would hear that you are approaching 20 girls in a day on the street and not be turned off by it. I

There is no need to tell them that however I think it is better to actually have  a place you are going to and approach on your way. Then you can tell them I was going here and saw you and you are technically not lying per say. I have done that and worked great. Also as I said you can hang out with a buddy and walk around and approach (I was chilling with my friend when I saw you). I think in this way it is a lot less creepy.

I agree with the bike part though. 

4 hours ago, something_else said:

In a bar or a club you can literally tell a girl you're just out trying to get laid and she'll laugh if you have good energy. There's much less BS or lying involved. I like that a lot more.

Sure it can work but from my experience of guys I know doing it during day can work also (you need to be advanced though). Also you are convinently ignoring the fact that girls tend to be way more rude when you approach them in bars/clubs because they get spammed approach by guys that just want to fuck (huge turn off for girls that wants a relationship). I have female friends that told me I would rather be approached during the day (in a respectful way ofc) then in a club because I feel like guys in a club just want to smash. 

If it was this creepy then girls would react badly on daygame approaches when they are actually not less nice than during evening.

34 minutes ago, something_else said:

Because a high value, attractive guy should not need to go out and do spammy daygame. Their lifestyle would bring them in contact with women far more naturally and in a way that is much less forced. So if you need to go and approach 20 girls on your local high street to try and get laid, it's an indicator to women that there's something weird about you. Even if there isn't, that's the impression given off; creepy and strange.

A high value guy does not need to cold approach in general. He can date using his cloud and social connections. Going in a bar and spam approach 20 girls is not necessary for a "high value" guy. However most people do not have that level of social connections nor status hence cold approach (bars/clubs/day) can be useful. 

Go out and ask couples how they met. Rarely you will hear (I cold approached her in a bar or club nor during day for that matter). Usually you will get either from: work, school, hobbies, common friends, events, online dating, instagram). Especially with our generation (im 24).

Sure many hook up in parties and clubs but personally I only count relationship based stuff, so how did couples meet, not how did this guy/girl get laid. One night stands are irrelevant to me. But that is just me.

Or just use online dating. It can work insanely well if you know what you are doing (good pictures and texting).

Social circle and hobbies are also amaizing, most of my dates are from that however it is quite limited and you need to be careful not coming off as the guy that hits on everyone. 

Edited June 1, 2023 by Karmadhi

[StarStruck]

44 minutes ago, something_else said:

Because a high value, attractive guy should not need to go out and do spammy daygame. Their lifestyle would bring them in contact with women far more naturally and in a way that is much less forced. So if you need to go and approach 20 girls on your local high street to try and get laid, it's an indicator to women that there's something weird about you. Even if there isn't, that's the impression given off; creepy and strange.

 

By that logic tinder is creepy too. The projections of this guy. Lmao.

[something_else]

58 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

There is no need to tell them that however I think it is better to actually have  a place you are going to and approach on your way. Then you can tell them I was going here and saw you and you are technically not lying per say. I have done that and worked great. Also as I said you can hang out with a buddy and walk around and approach (I was chilling with my friend when I saw you). I think in this way it is a lot less creepy.

I agree with the bike part though. 

Sure it can work but from my experience of guys I know doing it during day can work also (you need to be advanced though). Also you are convinently ignoring the fact that girls tend to be way more rude when you approach them in bars/clubs because they get spammed approach by guys that just want to fuck (huge turn off for girls that wants a relationship). I have female friends that told me I would rather be approached during the day (in a respectful way ofc) then in a club because I feel like guys in a club just want to smash. 

If it was this creepy then girls would react badly on daygame approaches when they are actually not less nice than during evening.

A high value guy does not need to cold approach in general. He can date using his cloud and social connections. Going in a bar and spam approach 20 girls is not necessary for a "high value" guy. However most people do not have that level of social connections nor status hence cold approach (bars/clubs/day) can be useful. 

Go out and ask couples how they met. Rarely you will hear (I cold approached her in a bar or club nor during day for that matter). Usually you will get either from: work, school, hobbies, common friends, events, online dating, instagram). Especially with our generation (im 24).

Sure many hook up in parties and clubs but personally I only count relationship based stuff, so how did couples meet, not how did this guy/girl get laid. One night stands are irrelevant to me. But that is just me.

Or just use online dating. It can work insanely well if you know what you are doing (good pictures and texting).

Social circle and hobbies are also amaizing, most of my dates are from that however it is quite limited and you need to be careful not coming off as the guy that hits on everyone. 

I agree with you. I think it is a difficult issue. There is a grey area between spammy low quality approaches that annoy and creep girls out and decent ones. But for me, it's just not worth the effort to go out and do daygame when I find I get decent results in nightgame. I've never had any girl be rude or particularly awkward around me at night as far as I can remember. I've definitely had girls give super closed off awkward vibes during the day and a few rude as well. Overall it just feels inauthentic and shameful to me when I do it.

1 hour ago, nhoktinvt said:

i see, you focus on your life purpose and getting laid is a byproduct of such lifestyle am i correct ?

No, absolutely improve your skills with girls. I just do that at places that are more conducive to socialising than a high street.

45 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

By that logic tinder is creepy too. The projections of this guy. Lmao.

The logic is not the same. Tinder is mostly very low effort, low investment if you already have a good life and are at least moderately good looking. Day game is high investment very high effort.

As a general rule, low investment is usually much less creepy than high investment.

[StarStruck]

@something_else

35 minutes ago, something_else said:

 

The logic is not the same. Tinder is mostly very low effort, low investment if you already have a good life and are at least moderately good looking. Day game is high investment very high effort.

As a general rule, low investment is usually much less creepy than high investment.

Day game is not high investment. It is lower investment than night game where you have to invest your whole night, while day game can be done within 5-10 minutes.

Also best girls can't be found on Tinder.

 

Edited June 1, 2023 by StarStruck

[Karmadhi]

2 hours ago, something_else said:

There is a grey area between spammy low quality approaches that annoy and creep girls out and decent ones.

 Being genuine, comfortable and positive is the difference between those two.

2 hours ago, something_else said:

But for me, it's just not worth the effort to go out and do daygame when I find I get decent results in nightgame

Sure, good for you. Do what works well and what is comfortable with you. I am not shitting on nightgame, it can work great for many people. My issue is that it is not the ideal for EVERYONE and you seem to say that it is objectively better (it is not). Just like the sea is better for fish but worse for monkeys.

2 hours ago, something_else said:

I've never had any girl be rude or particularly awkward around me at night as far as I can remember. I've definitely had girls give super closed off awkward vibes during the day and a few rude as well

Well for myself I had many girls be super closed off, annoyed or straight out ask me "Why are you talking to me" or "Why do you care" when I approached them during nightgame. Also many were quite nice and positive so it depends. However proportionate speaking, during day girls were less like this (cold or closed or "why are you talking to me"). Often they just tell you politely I need to go somewhere but thanks for talking to me.

2 hours ago, something_else said:

Overall it just feels inauthentic and shameful to me when I do it.

Then dont do it. But no need to shit on daygame in every comment you make. Just because you do not like it does not mean it is invalid and should be erased. 

I can assure you for many guys their chance of creeping a girl out during nightgame is higher than during day just because that is how they are. For others it will be the opposite (I assume you are on the second group).

People are different (my main point).

But to be more helpful to the argument, I asked many of my female friends about their experiences being approached during day and usually I noticed that the negative experiences were either catcalling, being followed, or guys not accepting rejection (I have a boyfriend etc) and kept on insisting to the point it got uncomfortable.

"Oh this guy gave me a compliment with a genioune smile and then when I told him I was not interested he politely wished me a good day and left", said no girl ever.

I will give you two examples my two different female friends told me to show you the actual stuff that makes girls uncomfortable.

Situation 1:

Girl: I have a boyfriend (she really does)

Guy: Do not worry, I am not the jealous type. I do not see him with you, show him to me. I want proof.

Situation 2:

Girl: I have a boyfriend (she really does).

Guy: What age does he have?

Girl: Says age

Guy: Oh i see you are into older men, they are better in bed arent they?

So yeah this is the shit that creeps girls out not the example I wrote above.

But personally personally I am not a big fan of approaching walking girls in the street.

Girls in parks, squares, sitting somewhere or waiting in a corner standing are way better because they are already either bored or not doing anything at least for the next few minutes (more open and less intrusive).

Edited June 1, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Spiral]

On 30/05/2023 at 2:23 AM, Roy said:

You will lose money trying to chase women, but you will never lose women trying to chase money.

This is not true. There are certainly women who will leave a guy who “never” spends time with them. 
 

Balance in all things.

[The0Self]

15 hours ago, Roy said:

The number/quality of women you have available to date and start relationships with, grows almost directly in proportion to the amount of money and resources you have.

Having a lot of money is the ultimate cheat code and let's you bypass being underdeveloped in every other area, like grooming, game, personality, sex, status, etc.

If those other areas, particularly game, are on point, money is not likely to be scarce.

[Roy]

9 hours ago, Spiral said:

This is not true. There are certainly women who will leave a guy who “never” spends time with them. 

Yea maybe some of them, if you are grinding such an amount you can't spare a few hours here and there or at least have one day off during the week. That just means the guy is being inefficient and sacrificing too much time for money. Quality over quantity.

Make enough money to make her comfortable though and it doesn't really matter if you don't have a ton of time for her.

This isn't controversial. Women like resources and security. It's consistently a top picked trait and desire for them on nearly every graph, poll, and study.

[Valach]

@Roy

Seriously men, where did you get this idea? I've met so many rich guys who get cheated on or just broken up with by their girlfriends that I have no idea how can anyone believe that money = succes with woman. Sure, it makes it probably a tiny bit easier (but you can say that about anything really) but definitly I'd put having game (charisma, fun, confidence etc.) way way above money.