How much time per day do i need to work on my dating skills

[something_else]

9 hours ago, StarStruck said:

With day game you have to be strategic, you have to know where the hot girls are to get the most return of your time, and just sit there like a crouching tiger. A lot of people think day game is running around, it is a waste of energy.

Another approach is to get a bicycle and if you live close to an university, supermarket or gym you can easily pick off girls who go from somewhere to somewhere else. 30 minutes is more than enough as an intermediate. As a beginner you need more time capital though.

I don't know if you realise how creepy this sounds

[Kinjal]

On 5/30/2023 at 5:53 AM, Roy said:

Not much. I'd say a few hours per week. That's far more than the average guy who just goes to the bar every Friday hoping to get lucky with barely any effort. Maybe watch a few videos before bed or on lunch break to give you the right mindset and concepts. Then an equal amount of time actively trying to set up and go on dates.

Really though it should be lower on your priority list compared to other things. Dating isn't that important.

You will lose money trying to chase women, but you will never lose women trying to chase money.

Your suggestions are always pretty insightful, top-notch, and real. So much to comprehend, contemplate, and journal from your sayings. Thank you @Roy.

[StarStruck]

5 hours ago, something_else said:

I don't know if you realise how creepy this sounds

I want to see you day approach. There is always some creepiness involved. 

The whole point is that if she likes you it doesn’t matter what you do and she won’t find it creepy. 

If she doesn’t like you you can pull a bunny out of your ass and put a grade A spiel for her and she still won’t like you. 

If you never want to come across creepy you should stay at home and play your world of Warcraft. 

[something_else]

37 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

I want to see you day approach. There is always some creepiness involved. 

That's why I think day approaching where you are so predatory, specifically leaving your house to go hunting for tons of girls to approach is kinda dumb. It's always pretty creepy.

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The whole point is that if she likes you it doesn’t matter what you do and she won’t find it creepy. 

If she doesn’t like you you can pull a bunny out of your ass and put a grade A spiel for her and she still won’t like you. 

Most girls if they saw you saying you were riding around town on your bike hunting for girls to chase down like a tiger, would be pretty repulsed.

The problem is that an attractive high value guy with a decent social circle should not need to do that to meet girls.

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If you never want to come across creepy you should stay at home and play your world of Warcraft. 

Or just go out to places that are more conducive to meeting/talking/socialising with new people than a high street. It's better for everyone involved.

Edited May 31, 2023 by something_else

[StarStruck]

9 minutes ago, something_else said:

That's why I think day approaching where you are so predatory, specifically leaving your house to go hunting for tons of girls to approach is kinda dumb. It's always pretty creepy.

Most girls if they saw you saying you were riding around town on your bike hunting for girls to chase down like a tiger, would be pretty repulsed.

Or just go out to places that are more conducive to meeting/talking/socialising with new people than a high street. It's better for everyone involved.

Perhaps the creepiness is your own projection? There are girls who are stoked if a guy talks to them. The best girls don’t go out to your little fests. Personally I don’t go around with my bicycle to just talk to girls. I go to the supermarket or go out eating and speak to them on my way. 

It is only creepy if she is talked to by guys like you who project their own creepiness onto the girl and by the law of transference she feels that creep.

But if you are ok looking guy and you don’t project your creepiness onto the girl, there is little chance she will feel creepiness.  

I’m not stereotypical good looking but if you have the good looks you can get away with a lot if you are not weird about it and not project your own shit onto the girl. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by StarStruck

[Leo Gura]

Don't forget, man is a predator.

And women are attracted to predators.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Chives99]

you have think about why she is there? if its not somewhere people go to be social, you can assume they are not there to chat to strangers.

 

[Ramanujan]

@Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't forget, man is a predator.

And women are attracted to predators.

andrew tate said he got 600 Bang.

dan blizerian had 1400 Bang

there was a warloard in ancient times. he had 700 bang

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Ramanujan

[mmKay]

2 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

@Leo Gura

andrew tate said he got 600 Bang.

dan blizerian had 1400 Bang

there was a warloard in ancient times. he had 700 bang

 

"To have bang" is my new favorite terminology

 

 

2 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

@Leo Gura

[Vrubel]

4 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Perhaps the creepiness is your own projection? There are girls who are stoked if a guy talks to them. The best girls don’t go out to your little fests. Personally I don’t go around with my bicycle to just talk to girls. I go to the supermarket or go out eating and speak to them on my way. 

It is only creepy if she is talked to by guys like you who project their own creepiness onto the girl and by the law of transference she feels that creep.

But if you are ok looking guy and you don’t project your creepiness onto the girl, there is little chance she will feel creepiness.  

I’m not stereotypical good looking but if you have the good looks you can get away with a lot if you are not weird about it and not project your own shit onto the girl. 

Agree, though I would change 'looks' for 'energy'. Energy determines everything.  
 

4 hours ago, something_else said:

That's why I think day approaching where you are so predatory, specifically leaving your house to go hunting for tons of girls to approach is kinda dumb. It's always pretty creepy.

Most girls if they saw you saying you were riding around town on your bike hunting for girls to chase down like a tiger, would be pretty repulsed.

The problem is that an attractive high value guy with a decent social circle should not need to do that to meet girls.

Or just go out to places that are more conducive to meeting/talking/socialising with new people than a high street. It's better for everyone involved.

You basically have the common societal view, yeah day game is socially unacceptable. And there are genuinely good reasons why it should stay that way. It's inherently unscalable and more girls for me(; 

But in all seriousness, different personality types go best with different approaches of meeting women. If you have a decent social life, sure thats a great way to meet women. 

For me personly I would absolutely hate the idea of being part of a friend group or having to maintain a social circle. (yeah I am extreme in that sense). 

The supreme advantage of day game is that you basically choose the hottest girl you desire most, the supply is endless on a good location. Being good at day game is like having a cheat code to reality(;

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Vrubel

[The0Self]

On 5/29/2023 at 8:23 PM, Roy said:

but you will never lose women trying to chase money

Utterly not true, just so you know.

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't forget, man is a predator.

And women are attracted to predators.

Leo, there are lots of young males who are still growing into manhood and who are still trying to figure out the opposite sex who follow you. Please don't mislead them with this statement. The word predator can be interpreted differently depending on the context it is used. What came up when I googled the word were, "a person who ruthlessly exploits others", "a person who looks for other people in order to use, control or harm in some way", predatory behavior - "any conduct evidencing egregious, habitual or continuing attempt to misuse power, authority, position or situation to abuse or exploit others", "one who tries to take advantage of someone who is weak and/or having a vulnerable moment". None of these meanings sounds enticing to a "normal" human being; so saying women are attracted to predators, is like saying women are attracted to the notion of being exploited, taken advantage of and likes to be used and controlled. Say what you like, its your forum, but making statements like this when a lot of young guys follow you and there are many guests who never make a comment or even subscribe who are seeing this and who respects you as a teacher who will start to think they are predators for chasing women under normal circumstances and that women are actually attracted to predatory behavior. You yourself understands group think and systems and impressionable minds can start to develop patterns of the group and leaders they follow. If your meaning of predator is different from what I said above then please state so because this statement can be very detrimental to a follower whose mind is less than stable and who is unclear about what most women are attracted to in a man and go out in search and start to exhibit predatory behavior. 

[StarStruck]

@Vrubel I doubt that guy has any experience with day game. 

[Karmadhi]

@something_else I notice you tend to be very biased against daygame. Like every time pickup is mentioned you shit on daygame.

Have you had some traumatizing bad experience with daygame to hate it so much? 

I understand and agree with you that it can be somewhat weird to go out and approach girls however there are a few things you are failing at noticing.

1. You support the idea of talking to girls during your day however 99% of the population will not be able to do that without some training first. Daygame sessions are a tool you use in order to get over your anxiety and improve your skills. Then after doing sessions for some time you can start doing daygame as part of your life (as it should be done). 

So you should see these sessions as a transitory phase not as the end goal itself.

2. While you say that daygame is "creepy", most girls tend to respond better when you approach them during the day compared to during the evening (assuming you have decent social skills and intelligence and you dress well). Many guys tell me that girls even if they are not interested are usually quite polite as long as you are respectful. If daygame was so creepy then how come during evening they are way more harsh?

3. This will vary but in many cities you have communities of guys that go out and do daygame together. Basically you walk around with a friend and approach everytime you see a girl you like. Basically a wingman to keep you company during the session. So it becomes a bit more social, almost as if you are hanging out and approaching's is part of the thing.

4. If you think you are a high value guy and you have a lot of love to give then you will not feel creepy while doing daygame because you are giving a girl the chance to meet you which normally she would not have. 

I feel like people have a cartoonish idea of the creepy daygame guy that has 0 social intelligence and says overly gaming things and think that is what daygame is like.

Try it: Go out 1 day, find 10 girls you like. Stop them, give them a genioune compliment while looking at them in the eye and have a short normal conversation with them (assuming they have time) and wish them a good day. I am sure most of them will be nice to you.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Kid A]

57 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

While you say that daygame is "creepy", most girls tend to respond better when you approach them during the day compared to during the evening (assuming you have decent social skills and intelligence and you dress well). Many guys tell me that girls even if they are not interested are usually quite polite as long as you are respectful. If daygame was so creepy then how come during evening they are way more harsh?

Nothing special about girls being polite to someone they loathe. In my experience that's pretty often the case when they interact with each other 

During evenings out they're usually under the influence of alcohol, which removes the politeness filter and makes you more "honest". They're also usually approached by many(!) other guys, which makes it too impractical to be polite to everyone. 

Cold approaching is a big part of night life. Everyone who goes out knows that, and most girls probably wants to be approached by someone if they go out. This is really not the case during the day. 

[Karmadhi]

@Kid A

21 minutes ago, Kid A said:

most girls probably wants to be approached by someone if they go out.

Really depends. Many go out with their friends to dance and all and others do not like guys to approach them because in their mind they just want to fuck. I am sure many others do go out to meet guys though.

Say whatever you want but for myself and many other guys I know girls were more interested in us during the day given our personalities and looks.

People are different, expecting the same thing to work for everyone is just silly.

If night works better for you then great.

I am not here writing comments shitting on nightgame because I am aware people are different and have different strengths/weaknesses. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

23 minutes ago, Kid A said:

Nothing special about girls being polite to someone they loathe.

If girls loathe you during daygame then something about your approach or vibe is seriously off. 

Not being interested is not the same thing as loathing.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Leo, there are lots of young males who are still growing into manhood and who are still trying to figure out the opposite sex who follow you. Please don't mislead them with this statement. The word predator can be interpreted differently depending on the context it is used. What came up when I googled the word were, "a person who ruthlessly exploits others", "a person who looks for other people in order to use, control or harm in some way", predatory behavior - "any conduct evidencing egregious, habitual or continuing attempt to misuse power, authority, position or situation to abuse or exploit others", "one who tries to take advantage of someone who is weak and/or having a vulnerable moment". None of these meanings sounds enticing to a "normal" human being; so saying women are attracted to predators, is like saying women are attracted to the notion of being exploited, taken advantage of and likes to be used and controlled. Say what you like, its your forum, but making statements like this when a lot of young guys follow you and there are many guests who never make a comment or even subscribe who are seeing this and who respects you as a teacher who will start to think they are predators for chasing women under normal circumstances and that women are actually attracted to predatory behavior. You yourself understands group think and systems and impressionable minds can start to develop patterns of the group and leaders they follow. If your meaning of predator is different from what I said above then please state so because this statement can be very detrimental to a follower whose mind is less than stable and who is unclear about what most women are attracted to in a man and go out in search and start to exhibit predatory behavior. 

I understand your POV.

However, as you said, it is important to consider the context when interpreting word usage. There is another meaning for the word predator which you just ignored. And that was obviously the meaning I meant. I propose that my statement above was both accurate and profound when properly interpreted.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Kid A]

15 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Really depends. Many go out with their friends to dance and all and others do not like guys to approach them because in their mind they just want to fuck. I am sure many others do go out to meet guys though.

Yeah, I think you're right. When I said "most girls", I meant maybe around 60%. 

 

18 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

If night works better for you then great.

This is absolutely not the case, I'll tell you that! Daygame has given me a lot of dates, while nightgame has pretty much only given me suicide thoughts...  

[Princess Arabia]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I understand your POV.

However, as you said, it is important to consider the context when interpreting word usage. There is another meaning for the word predator which you just ignored. And that was obviously the meaning I meant. I propose that my statement above was both accurate and profound when properly interpreted.

I didn't purposely ignore anything. I understand that Google or the internet, when it comes to interpretation, can be wrong or biased or controlled when it comes to certain things; but considering it was the looking up of a particular word that I used it for and most people trusts the Wikipedia section and dictionary use, we have to consider that. No part of the word, except for relating to animals, which was still similar, gave a different kind of meaning- they were mostly similar; and before I made the comment I did, I made sure to look up the meaning. And since this is on the topic of dating and sexuality I would assume you're speaking under the context of sexual predator. Ignore is to INTENTIONALLY refuse to take notice of or acknowledge something. Ignorance of something is lacking knowledge or awareness of something. Thats why I asked you to define your interpretation of the word predator to make things clear, which you still haven't done. I would still like to hear what your interpretation or meaning of the word predator is in regards to this topic because it is not obvious since I cannot find another meaning for the word online. Maybe you can enlighten me.