Existence is unbelievable

[Reciprocality]

That existence is a more extreme thing than you dare to believe, that it is literally unbelievable that you are alive, that belief itself does not stretch high enough for the absolute ridiculousness and wonders of existence, this is simply because belief is a subset of knowledge and it can not circle itself.

I am incapable of believing that something like this world is real, it can only be known directly, our modern culture is an engagement in the delusion of reducing what is already given into a fantastical portion of itself.

[WeCome1]

This one time, during a mushroom trip, I remember I just sat there for some 15 minutes marveling at a simple wooden chair. You know, like, it just sometimes dawns on you, WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT ACTUALLY TAKE for a simple wooden chair to exist here before your eyes - that kind of a moment. Like, how can one overlook that it is not, in fact, a chair - it is a piece of some ancient alien god-tech of unknown (and unknowable) purpose which just happens to look exactly like a chair. And I SAT on that thing? Imagine you had a 10,000-year-old jedi lightsaber - and you used it to open beers

Reality is so cool sometimes. No idea what @Holykael is complaining about.

[Reciprocality]

@WeCome1 Yes realising that I have been wrong about everything I thought I knew, that the experience of these colours and geometries, and whatever hides behind these, is not itself a chair, and so is true of every other idea I got drilled down in my head, makes the experience itself mystical.

You said that the purpose of the subject of the chair were unknowable, I believe it is knowable, I believe our self, our creativity, our intelligence IS its purpose and that it can become self evident and inconsistent to believe otherwise.

 

I can explicate the inconsistency if you want, were interesting to hear about your mushroom trip though, I believe I can relate to it, though Ive never tried any psychedelics.

[WeCome1]

9 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

You said that the purpose of the subject of the chair were unknowable

If was just a figure of speech, I didn't mean it to sound so categorically.

[Reciprocality]

@WeCome1 Okay, so a figure for what then? And also if you think it is knowable then what do you know about its purpose?

[WeCome1]

Just now, Reciprocality said:

And also if you think it is knowable then what do you know about its purpose?

Well, since I'm God - it is only fitting that the chair I sit on while I have my meals is made of pure god-tech, don't you think? It's just that, with all the god's work I'm constantly busy doing, it's sometimes easy to forget to enjoy and appreciate all this luxury. 

[Reciprocality]

@WeCome1 So the purpose of the world and its unbelievable components is that god uses them to his schemes and desires, while also these components are themselves made out of god.

This is fair, but let me ask you this, did god have the power not to create these components in the first place? And if he did, isn't this necessarily a separate god? And if there are two gods, both you and the supreme one, what preserves the identity of either in the realm of the other?

[WeCome1]

3 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

did god have the power not to create these components in the first place?

Well, apparently, he didn't, since "the components" exist?

[Reciprocality]

@WeCome1 That would be a contradictory construct, since for god to be he can not be contingent on the things he created, those things would then simply be self-subsistent.

If he had the power to not create them it would necessarily be insufficient to only know that the components exists, as you seemed to imply.

[Reciprocality]

When you take the reasoning a step further you find that you did not create the things, substances, that underlies the faulty judgements of "chair". And that your power is limited to the composition of these substances, and will never stretch beyond them, which contradicts the idea that you are god if you define god as that which created existence.

Edit: again I am left where I have been thousands of times before, that the power of god is reducible to the limited beings such as ourself, that the substances of which we are made were given to god as playdough is given a child, and that god had no say in their nature and direct appearance.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Reciprocality

[WeCome1]

I am now at the point where I'm beginning to doubt that all of the interaction above has NOT been ironic. It scares me. We need more sincerity here. @Sincerity, any thoughts?..

[Breakingthewall]

@Reciprocality man, when I look at infinity I think... incredible. this is. eh, right now this is infinity in action, you are involved in a  game of a dimension.....?? friend, you are playing in the first division, you are here, now, solving your enigma, that is the infinity in action. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Reciprocality]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Reciprocality man, when I look at infinity I think... incredible. this is. eh, right now this is infinity in action, you are involved in a  game of a dimension.....?? friend, you are playing in the first division, you are here, now, solving your enigma that is infinity creating 

@Breakingthewall   Infinity is one half of a duality which only makes any sense by conceiving of both parts and then applying this half of it onto a third thing. I believe what you actually try to say is that reality is an amazing interplay between the finite and the infinite. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Reciprocality

[Sincerity]

10 minutes ago, WeCome1 said:

@Sincerity, any thoughts?..

Too much to read, My brain hurty. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Sincerity

[Reciprocality]

@Sincerity It is not necessarily an efficient method to limit oneself only to reading, to ask questions regarding the places where our already conceived notions fails us is crucial at these crossroads.

[Reciprocality]

@WeCome1 There is no irony here, I could not afford it, if what I say is false then I have fooled not only you but also myself. 

[Sincerity]

4 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

@Sincerity It is not necessarily an efficient method to limit oneself only to reading, to ask questions regarding the places where our already conceived notions fails us is crucial at these crossroads.

I meant that this thread is too long for Me to read with comprehension right now haha. I'm tired after the day, is all.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Sincerity

[Hojo]

@WeCome1  I had similar experience with a tomato I was making an egg sandwich

I grabbed a tomato and was looking at it

it was the most beautiful thing ive ever seen perfectly symmetrical perfectly shaped

so firm its standing strong the tip is perfect

then I cut into it and oh my god

the perfect symmetry beautiful patterns and colour

how did this even happen

im trancing out falling in love with the  beauty of the tomato for 15 minutes and i burned my eggs

I still think about the tomato from time to time

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

@Breakingthewall   Infinity is one half of a duality which only makes any sense by conceiving of both parts and then applying this half of it onto a third thing. I believe what you actually try to say is that reality is an amazing interplay between the finite and the infinite. 

Infinity is this moment here and now, and if you realize it, you will get atonished

[Reciprocality]

@Sincerity Aha, my bad. Would be cool if you´d give it a try another day since as wecome1 implied, this thread doesn't have enough sincerity.