Sister is Vegan and Tested Very Low For Iron

[LSD-Rumi]

@integral  Her Iron levels in the blood are good, but her stores of iron in the liver for example are low, so she is very susceptible to developing anemia in the future. She should supplement with Iron. If her periods are heavy and annoying , she should use contraceptives.

 

 

[montecristo]

On 5/27/2023 at 10:40 AM, integral said:

Very Low Iron Vegan, what is the protocol for this? She wants to go buy a supplement if so what is the correct form for absorption? I tired a iron supplement a few years ago and it made me very sick so im of course skeptical, is there any other way to solve this with out eating meat? 

the "protocol" is to simply eat meat. She will never achieve health without it and will be scrambling for "cures and protocols" the rest of her life

[Michael569]

@integral have her batch cook foods that contain red lentils and other high iron foods. If she insists on remaining vegan, this needs to be dealt with otherwise she'll be a walking zombie without energy.

You can condense extreme nutritional density per portion using something like an Instapot and making lentil/wholegrain/veggie meals. 

Salads and vegan burgers won't cut it. She might need to supplement too. Iron bisglycinate might be the way to go starting at about 50mg per day (Vega had a product like that)

At 8 her ferritin levels are very low but can still be corrected without transfusions.

Btw her TSH is higher than it should be too, has that been flagged? Depends on whome you talk to,any would say anything above 2 is clinically relevant 

She might even consider working with a dietitian.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Michael569

[undeather]

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Btw her TSH is higher than it should be too, has that been flagged? Depends on whome you talk to,any would say anything above 2 is clinically relevant 

Very low iron levels can screw with T4->T3 conversion (thyroid peroxidase needs iron to function properly) - which could potentially lead to higher TSH through loweerd feedback mechanism.

but...

Low thyroid function can also impair iron absorption.

Chicken/egg problem right there!
Good call - man I am just not used to those stupid mU/L units  

[Schizophonia]

@Lila9 I could possibly answer on another topic but I will stop polluting this one ah ah

[ZenAlex]

On 27/05/2023 at 5:46 AM, Schizophonia said:

Stop having an ideological and unnatural diet.

Rofl, there is no reason you have to be anaemic on a vegan diet. If you're going to criticize a vegan diet at least do your research.

This girl could have health issues that hinder absorption of things like Iron, or she may have just made bad choices.

So many Anti-vegan people are so incredibly uninformed it's laughable.

[ZenAlex]

On 28/05/2023 at 7:02 AM, montecristo said:

the "protocol" is to simply eat meat. She will never achieve health without it and will be scrambling for "cures and protocols" the rest of her life

Nah the protocol is to actually know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to nutrition and literally google sources of iron and add them to your diet.

Are some of you incapable of formulating a basic meal planner? It's not hard.

Sorry to get annoyed but all these Anti vegan posts annoy me when they;re coming from people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about and have never done considerable research into it.

[LfcCharlie4]

So many girls at school were anemic it's kind of crazy 

Michael's recommendations are brilliant 

Beyond Iron read Simon's guide - https://theproof.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/PlantProofSupplementGuide.pdf 

[RendHeaven]

On 5/27/2023 at 2:50 AM, Lila9 said:

Would you, as the creator of this universe, consciously choose to torture and kill millions of animals for the sake of your egoic pleasure? No

Actually yes.

That's precisely how we got here in this dog-eat-dog world

You think God made a mistake when designing an animal kingdom that consumes itself to perpetuity? 

On 5/27/2023 at 5:30 AM, Lila9 said:

Hypothetically, if God were fully conscious, the meat industry would cease to exist, and a more compassionate and loving world would be created not just for a particular group or humans alone, but for all beings.

Unbelievably arrogant. The cosmos runs with Divine Precision without humans interjecting or forcing a trajectory. It has been this way forever, and it will be this way forever.

It is true that individual/collective human decisions and actions are a part of this Divine Precision, so I am not advocating for inaction or passivity per se. If you have a dream or a goal, swing for the fences and actualize it with every fiber of your being or die trying.

But don't make the mistake of thinking that the current state of affairs is somehow inadequate or less perfect. You really tried to frame God as inept, I'm aghast lol.

Consider that if the meat industry ceased to exist, perhaps so too would the majority of mankind. I'm not saying this WILL happen. I'm saying it's likely. Did you even consider that before insisting that your personal human dream is more righteous than what we already have?

On 5/27/2023 at 5:30 AM, Lila9 said:

Yes, however, the more conscious God is, the less suffering would exist.

This is pure falsehood. The fact that suffering is allowed to appear on a relativistic level is sheer beauty, intelligence, and perfection. Removing suffering from the cast would cause unfathomable imbalance to the Whole.

It's precisely because GOD = AWAKE that suffering exists.

You don't have to believe me, but I urge you to treat my position generously and genuinely wonder why I would say such a thing.

 

Edit: I don't mean to pick on you by the way, I hope I don't come across as too antagonistic. I'm just genuinely interested in this topic and I happen to disagree with you at every turn hahaha. I speak blunt and I call your words "arrogant, false" etc. But this is not a character judgement on you. It is simply my impression of the words I read on this page. I know you are beautiful and wise and perfect.

Edited June 1, 2023 by RendHeaven

[Schizophonia]

20 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 

Edit: I don't mean to pick on you by the way, I hope I don't come across as too antagonistic. I'm just genuinely interested in this topic and I happen to disagree with you at every turn hahaha. I speak blunt and I call your words "arrogant, false" etc. But this is not a character judgement on you. It is simply my impression of the words I read on this page. I know you are beautiful and wise and perfect.

lmao

You know you've interacted too much with the politically correct schizophrenic people of Actualized.org when you start putting warning paragraphs at the end of the post to avoid being blocked/ghosted because you didn't put a smiley or compliment on all the lines.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Have I ever personally offended you in any way and I don't know?

I have no problem with you in any way, the message was not targeting you.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Okay ?

Anyway even if my message was aimed at you, it doesn't matter.
I too am unpleasant, in my own way.

I take all this as a joke more than anything else, and it was not even directly related to the subject
Which itself has nothing to do with the starting topic of the topic by the way

Edited June 2, 2023 by Schizophonia

[RendHeaven]

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

God's design is not fixed, it's dynamic, always changing and evolving.

Correct.

There are many """evils""" in this world that I myself seek to expunge. For example, I believe that industrial seed oils (aka hydrogenated vegetable oils such as canola oil, soybean oil, sunflower oil, etc.) are the primary driver of chronic disease and metabolic dysfunction (mental health issues too) in modern humans.

If this ego had God's magic touch, I would "poof" all seed oils out of the food supply chain entirely in the name of alleviating suffering. But of course there is a trade-off.

If I deleted seed oils overnight, there would be global economic collapse and famine, seeing how this is a multibillion dollar industry firmly rooted in every single developed country.

To take down such a behemoth, humanity would have to work together to gradually undo decades of corruption & sickness.

I imagine you think similarly, but replace "seed oils" with "animal consumption."

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

However, there are things that are within our control. As we are part of the divine creation and a species blessed with a good amount of creativity, why repress it?

Because it is highly likely that you are foolish and myopic. How do you actually know that eradicating animal farming will actually result in increased net benevolence? Your best educated guess from your current viewpoint says so, but the ego does not see infinite steps ahead the way God does.

As God you designed the human body to be extremely compatible with digesting animal flesh for nutrients. As God, you manifested hundreds of thousands of years of human ancestral history in which animal flesh (organs, bones, and blood as well!) was prime sustenance.

The cycle of life, of one being dying for another, is baked into MILLIONS OF YEARS of biological evolution. In fact, this is a metaphysical/cosmic principle. If you are indeed vegan, even you must accept this as you consume the life of plants, believing that you are being greatly benevolent. The only reason you think nothing of your plant consumption while you condemn animal consumption is because one resembles your human self more. It is pure bias and actually, selfishness. 

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

If not through a collective increase in consciousness and people's voluntary decision to abstain from consuming meat, it may be achieved through advancements in technology.

I am open to this suggestion but my instinct is to be skeptical. Our technological advancement far outstrips our advancement in consciousness and wisdom. For example, as incredible as phones are, they enslave the majority of us in 2023. And I only see it getting "worse" from here. I don't see the solution to any of our woes being more technology. Rather, returning to "nature," that is, eating, sleeping, moving, acting as humans have for thousands of years prior to being enveloped in unfamiliar food, lights, obligations, motionlessness, etc. will heal and remove pathologies.

More specifically, if every human being switched to beyond burgers instead of animal flesh today, I suspect we would all be sick and infertile and the human race will literally perish within 3 generations (even if you or I remain unscathed for 20 years, what of our descendants?). Are researchers and scientists and activists and vegans accounting for this when they believe they've found triumph over meat consumption?

And again, "moar better technology" is just spinning our wheels in place. Beyond burger v2.0 or even v69.0 is all lunacy. Lab grown meat is lunacy (this is precisely the kind of invention to give us cancer 50 years later, and 100 years too late scientists will "discover" we had been poisoning ourselves all along).

Let's eat regeneratively raised cattle like our ancestors. Our minds, bodies, the soil, the grass, and even the cows themselves will heal and benefit from this. Industrial slaughterhouses are lunacy. But the vegan agenda (eradicate the need to raise any animals?) is also lunacy.

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

From the absolute perspective it's all beautiful nice and perfect, from the relative perspective, there is a place for improvement and there is no shame about that.

I'm not sure if it's possible to completely get rid of suffering, but we can definitely make progress in reducing it as society develops.

I agree. I'll reiterate that industrial slaughterhouses, the mass shipment of sunlight-deprived animals crammed tightly together in cages after being fed copious grains and wastefoods is peak human madness. We can work to restructure the systems that govern the production of our animal products.

But to eliminate animal consumption alltogether? This is where I find you "arrogant." It's like you (from what I've seen you argue here) and all vegans actually think that you can bypass the cycle of life which you yourself as GOD built into the human condition!

Have you heard the argument that the vegan diet actually kills more sentient lifeforms per human than the carnivore diet when you zoom out in perspective? I'm not saying this is the objective truth, but as an ex-vegan this argument really put me in my place. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Let's say I eat 3 pounds of beef every single day for a year (That's quite a lot. I personally wouldn't do this, but I'm just arguing as if I were a strict carnivore). That's 365x3lbs (=1095lbs) of beef in 1 year. THAT'S 3/4th OF A SINGLE COW (cows are roughly 1,300lbs on average)!!!

If I got my meat from my local butcher who raises his 100% grass-fed cattle on his regenerative farm, I'M NOT EVEN KILLING A WHOLE COW IN ONE YEAR.

But the vegan? Oh boy. Ohohoho. A single salad with fruits and veggies that are seasonally inappropriate (I mean how else would I even get my cucumbers & avocado in the northern hemisphere winter lol), just imagine the massive cargo ship imports of these plantfoods. And how were these plants produced? Massive amounts of wildlife were ravaged and repurposed to be crop fields. To make tons of soybean yield you have to obliterate entire habitats and ecosystems. So many rodents and insects and trees murdered to satisfy the vegan's self-righteousness.

So I'll reiterate: the vegan diet likely kills MORE SENTIENT LIFEFORMS PER HUMAN than a (thoughtful) carnivore diet.

I know you may be thinking: "But don't you know the animals are fed copious grains and plants? The argument you just made against vegans backfires on the carnivores too!"

...which is why I stress that where and how you source your meat matters. Animals are actually not meant to eat grains or corn or soy lol. Ruminant animals (cows, bison, deer, elk, etc) eat GRASS. Poultry like chicken and pork eat grubs, insects, etc.

A naturally raised animal does not require the input of genocide-soybean fields.

Mass industrial meat farming is messed up. The animals are treated like shit and fed shit, which in turn produces low-quality toxic and nutrient deprived flesh which leads to malnourished humans and [the excessive machinery and transportation leads to] environmental pollution. (The methane from cows farting accusation is a myth btw, global warming is overwhelmingly caused by fossil fuels and transportation, anybody whining about a cow fart who rides an airplane is a clown)

But veganism is NOT the answer, as it essentially does the same thing from a different angle (obliterates habitats and sentience, without the presence of animals, the soil is completely deprived of nutrients producing low-quality toxic and nutrient deprived plants which leads to malnourished humans, and the enormous import chains contribute to environmental pollution).

The most conscious path I can see right now even amidst my own ignorance (I am myopic as well) is consuming regeneratively raised local farm animals.

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Have you noticed that we create lots of suffering because we are unconscious and selfish?

Yes. Bittersweet eh?

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Are you entitled to be arrogant while I am not? Am I missing something?

We are all outrageously arrogant. Some acknowledge it and move on, while others act shocked and indignant: "me? arrogant? no way!"

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Regardless, I accept it, and I'm not mad.

Thank you for your genuine comment ?

I appreciate that a lot!

P.S. I'm not actually advocating for a carnivore diet lol. The whole "carnivore vs vegan" framing was more or less a prop to showcase the blindspots of the vegan paradigm.

In terms of what a modern human ought to eat, I would say: Just eat whole minimally processed foods, locally sourced as much as possible, and include some form of animal fat/protein from smaller family owned farms. And of course, avoid seed oils. That would be my most sincere encouragement to the majority of humans!

14 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

lmao

You know you've interacted too much with the politically correct schizophrenic people of Actualized.org when you start putting warning paragraphs at the end of the post to avoid being blocked/ghosted because you didn't put a smiley or compliment on all the lines.

@Schizophonia Lmao yeah for real. Lila9 is cool as fuck but I could picture other people on this platform getting all heated and defensive from my honest observations.

Edited June 3, 2023 by RendHeaven
Grammar fix lol

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 

@Schizophonia Lmao yeah for real. Lila9 is cool as fuck but I could picture other people on this platform getting all heated and defensive from my honest observations.

Yeah, never had a problem with her. 

[RendHeaven]

On 6/3/2023 at 4:04 PM, Lila9 said:

In your comparison between local farm meat and industrially grown plants, a more accurate comparison would be between local grown plants and local farm meat. I don't believe that local farm meat is more environmentally conscious than local grown plants.

@Lila9 If you live on or near the equator, fair enough. But many of us live in harsh winters where "conscious local grown plants" is not a valid option year-round. Veganism in certain latitudes REQUIRES genocide-fields and mass transportation.

On 6/3/2023 at 4:04 PM, Lila9 said:

However, I'm not convinced that meat is mandatory for human survival.

It seems certain people can "get away" with avoiding meat entirely. For every vegan "failure" story (including my own), there seems to be a self-described "thriving" vegan elsewhere. So whether or not meat is "mandatory" can be very personal.

As someone who performs and feels a thousand times better with meat than without meat, my personal paradigm is as such:

Meat has historically been and thus still is to this day the "natural" diet of humans. Some humans based on genetic adaptations are able to deviate from meat without much consequence.

Others will be throttled by their biology if they deviate from meat for too long (even this is God's Plan, somehow...)

My friend Jason personally knows a woman who was vegan for 37 whole years before the physiological backlash "finally" caught up to her (brain fog, depression, various failures in her body, etc.). She now eats meat and all of her symptoms are gone. I believe stories like this ought not be dismissed.

I really appreciate you. I encourage you to continue to speak your truth while generously considering the other side of the coin, which is everything I've presented here.

I will of course do the same do the same with respects to your points. I believe strongly in my current opinions, but by no means do I have the full truth.

[Danioover9000]

@integral

On 2023-05-27 at 3:40 AM, integral said:

Very Low Iron Vegan, what is the protocol for this? She wants to go buy a supplement if so what is the correct form for absorption? I tired a iron supplement a few years ago and it made me very sick so im of course skeptical, is there any other way to solve this with out eating meat? 

   Is she allergic to nuts? If not tell her to eat more nuts as they contain some iron. There could be iron supplements but you'll have to check. Peanut butter is great if mixed with porridge for example. 

   Is she open to the possibility of changing her diet again, even if the change may look like a regression into whole foods and eating meats again?

   How is her diet, nutrition, sleep and rest like? Does do fitness and exercises and what are they like?

   Is her vegan diet based on morality or based on the health aspect? Is she open to changes further?

   Any more information to develop this context more will probably be helpful, more context = more specific the advice from others. Thanks and hope the sis is doing fine.

[Israfil]

On 27/05/2023 at 4:42 AM, Something Funny said:

Says a guy who bombs every thread he doesn't agree with to push his own ideology, lol.

On 27/05/2023 at 4:37 AM, Schizophonia said:

 

[Israfil]

On 27/05/2023 at 5:50 AM, Lila9 said:

Would you, as the creator of this universe, consciously choose to torture and kill millions of animals for the sake of your egoic pleasure? No. As a conscious creator who understands that everyone and everything around you is essentially a part of yourself, you would strive to keep everyone safe, promote their well being and happiness as much as possible.

 

Your point can easily be expanded to include plants and rocks. From god's POV, the ground you step on or the toilet you shit in has no lower right to safety and dignity than a cow. You feel bad because the animal moos when you destroy it. Plants would do it too, if they could.

You're eating yourself. And you be eaten too. Don't be so nervous about this.

[Schizophonia]

36 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes it can be expanded that much that I could be identified with rocks and stinky toilets.

So what? Rocks and toilets are not cows and chickens, rocks and toilets are materiels that don't feel pain, as simple as that.

And no I'm not eating myself and no I'm not nervous, you are merely projecting.

 

 

I'm still waiting for you to explain the final problem to me.

[Danioover9000]

@Lila9

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Keep waiting, I have no idea what you're talking about.

   Hey, is that are sailor moon profile pic?