Stage Orangreen

[thenondualtankie]

There are people who have relatively progressive views but still self-identify as "skeptics" and "rationalist". Where do we peg such individuals in the spiral dynamics model? Arguably it's right in between Orange and Green.

A prime example of such people are basically most New Atheist types (slightly outdated terminology but oh well).

Example: CosmicSkeptic https://www.youtube.com/@CosmicSkeptic/videos (just sort his videos by popular and read the titles of his videos. I think you'll see what I mean)

These people clearly value compassion and have much more socialistic tendencies than your average Wall Street Stage Orange type, but at the same time they'd be strictly against anything that goes beyond the rational.

[WeCome1]

1 hour ago, thenondualtankie said:

Where do we peg such individuals in the spiral dynamics model?

We don't peg individuals (or countries, or other relatively complex holons) - we peg ideas that can be formulated in a relatively atomic way. Like, markets and atheism are clearly Orange, and ideas like compassion, inclusivity, or New Age - are clearly Green.

Edited May 22, 2023 by WeCome1

[thenondualtankie]

@WeCome1 That's a really good point. I think that explains the situation explained above.

I think in many cases you can indeed say that a large holon is stage X. For example I'd say it's valid to say that America is largely Orange.