is the liberal mind wiser than the conservative mind ?

[Danioover9000]

@Recursoinominado

7 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

The Radical Left is still more developed than conservatives, that was always my point.

Radical left intentions stems from, fundamentally, extreme empathy for the 99% and hate for the 1%.

Their bias is toward the people and yes they are irresolute because they have to be.

Institutional left is just too weak and compromise too much, that's why, historically, the left is mostly on the lose side.

The socialis/communist i know and follow are the smartest people i know, their political inteligence and kwoledge of how politcs and society works is amazing.

On the other side...

Extreme Right intentions are born from hate and fear for everyone that doesn't look like them, their circle of empathy is really small, meanining they are only biased toward themselves and their group. 

The extreme right leaders and commentators are always dumb as fuck, appealing to lies, con-artistry, instilling fear (with lies) and, ultmatelly, power hungry, narcisists, sociopaths, psychopaths etc.

Extreme right politics is pure shit.

They are NOT the same.

Being a conservative is saying: shit to me is good, i don't want it to change, fuck everyone else.

Being a leftist is: shit to me MAY be good, but i want it to be good to everyone else and this may piss the ones who are privilleged today.

And i don't say "liberals" because being a liberal ins't the same as being left leaning. 

Here in Brazil our Liberals are conservatives (yeah, lol).

As we say: "liberal in the economy and conservative in the costumes/morals".

That means that our liberals are righ-wings and are concern with minimizing the power of the State in order to not invest money in social matters (education, health, housing, work rights and all of that). 

Our "liberals" are mostly christians, in favor of "traditional values" (aka white straight male centered).

And i am a white straight male.

I have privileges, things are not so bad to me but if i am intellectually honest, things are terrible to most people that doesn't look like me, i can't be right-wing.

   The radical left is always more developed then the left? Always your point? Since you were a child this was always your point?

   Is that always the case that only radical left's intentions are extreme empathy for 99%, and hate for 1%? What do you mean by 99% and 1%, and which peoples are you referring to with the percentages?

   So, are you saying that radicals are forced into supporting the 'people'? Which people? BTW, if the 'people' here are a bunch of rapists and murderers, then the radical leftists are forced to support rapists and murderers then?

   Or is it because the right institutions and capitalists were better than the left institutions that these left institutions are weaker?

   When you say socialists/communists you know who are better and smarter, are you referring to the Russian and Chinese socialists and communists, the ones that have killed so many people in their uprisings? If not which group are you referring to, and if they're so smart why is it that capitalism and more western society conservatism dominates mostly globally today? What do you mean by 'socialis'?

 

   By right wing intentions, do you mean that ALL intentions, from moderate conservative to White supremacists and Nazis Germany, are born from fear and hate? So if they convert to centrism or to left ling politics like democrats, liberals, progressives and socialists, as soon as they convert over are they still born hateful and fearful, or if they're a right winger they're ALWAYS born hateful and fearful of other people? What do you mean by 'meanining'?

   So are ALL right wing leaders and commentators 'dumb as fuck', and if they appeal to lies, con artistry, and instilling fear(AKA fear mongering), does that mean they're evil always? If there's one exception to this standard you posited, what does that mean? Are Right wing leaders must 'ultmatelly' have sociopathy, psychopathy, power hungry, 'narcisists' , to be 'dumb as fuck', con artists, and instilling fear?

   When you say, 'extreme right wing politics is pure shit', do you mean ALL right wing media is pure shit? Do you mean lies or bullshit?

   How do you know that radical leftists groups and extreme right wing groups ARE NOT THE SAME?

   Why are you caricaturing being a conservative and being a liberal like that? What if being a conservative means to protect and provide for your family and to protects your property, and not a hoarding person? What if being liberal means being more liberal and free to express your opinions, not just to ALWAYS piss off the 'privilleged' ones?

   Are you sure that being a liberal/=/left leaning? So, if in Brazil liberals=conservatives, does that mean that conservatives=liberals in your country? Why the inversion, and why is your government pretending to be liberals when they're conservative and traditional?

   What does you being a white straight male in your country have to do with anything you've stated in your posts and all other posts in this thread? So the Buddha here is a white straight male? Are you the Buddha on the road that if we find we should kill? Because I don't think THE BUDDHA was a white person, maybe straight and definitely a male, so...

   Of course you can't be right-wing, because according to you your country Brazil reversed the meanings of left wing and right wing, conservatives and liberals, such that if you say 'I'm a right wing conservative' or 'I'm a left wing socialist' within Brazil, those are the opposites that are inversed. Therefore, it makes sense that you can claim you're definitely not a right winger now, and that you're a left winger! But if you say you're a left winger now, within Brazil, that means YOU'RE A RIGHT WINGER! And if you're actually a right winger and say you're a left winger instead, YOU'RE LYING! Which means that since you're LYING, you're a conservative right?! I mean, if you're intellectually honest you'll admit that you're mostly wrong within this context, or are just confused and conflate and generalize a bunch of terms and gave an over simplistic assumption of radical leftists and extreme right wing and admit you're both wrong/misunderstand. That would be what an honest intellectual person would do right? But since Brazil likes to inverse conservatives to liberals, and liberals to conservatives, then Brazil may have inversed honesty to dishonesty, and dishonesty to honesty right? Since Brazil can reverse and inverse so many meanings, what are the great implications of this?!  

   

Edited May 27, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Recursoinominado]

18 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Recursoinominado

   The radical left is always more developed then the left? Always your point? Since you were a child this was always your point?

   Is that always the case that only radical left's intentions are extreme empathy for 99%, and hate for 1%? What do you mean by 99% and 1%, and which peoples are you referring to with the percentages?

   So, are you saying that radicals are forced into supporting the 'people'? Which people? BTW, if the 'people' here are a bunch of rapists and murderers, then the radical leftists are forced to support rapists and murderers then?

   Or is it because the right institutions and capitalists were better than the left institutions that these left institutions are weaker?

   When you say socialists/communists you know who are better and smarter, are you referring to the Russian and Chinese socialists and communists, the ones that have killed so many people in their uprisings? If not which group are you referring to, and if they're so smart why is it that capitalism and more western society conservatism dominates mostly globally today? What do you mean by 'socialis'?

 

   By right wing intentions, do you mean that ALL intentions, from moderate conservative to White supremacists and Nazis Germany, are born from fear and hate? So if they convert to centrism or to left ling politics like democrats, liberals, progressives and socialists, as soon as they convert over are they still born hateful and fearful, or if they're a right winger they're ALWAYS born hateful and fearful of other people? What do you mean by 'meanining'?

   So are ALL right wing leaders and commentators 'dumb as fuck', and if they appeal to lies, con artistry, and instilling fear(AKA fear mongering), does that mean they're evil always? If there's one exception to this standard you posited, what does that mean? Are Right wing leaders must 'ultmatelly' have sociopathy, psychopathy, power hungry, 'narcisists' , to be 'dumb as fuck', con artists, and instilling fear?

   When you say, 'extreme right wing politics is pure shit', do you mean ALL right wing media is pure shit? Do you mean lies or bullshit?

   How do you know that radical leftists groups and extreme right wing groups ARE NOT THE SAME?

   Why are you caricaturing being a conservative and being a liberal like that? What if being a conservative means to protect and provide for your family and to protects your property, and not a hoarding person? What if being liberal means being more liberal and free to express your opinions, not just to ALWAYS piss off the 'privilleged' ones?

   Are you sure that being a liberal/=/left leaning? So, if in Brazil liberals=conservatives, does that mean that conservatives=liberals in your country? Why the inversion, and why is your government pretending to be liberals when they're conservative and traditional?

   What does you being a white straight male in your country have to do with anything you've stated in your posts and all other posts in this thread? So the Buddha here is a white straight male? Are you the Buddha on the road that if we find we should kill? Because I don't think THE BUDDHA was a white person, maybe straight and definitely a male, so...

   Of course you can't be right-wing, because according to you your country Brazil reversed the meanings of left wing and right wing, conservatives and liberals, such that if you say 'I'm a right wing conservative' or 'I'm a left wing socialist' within Brazil, those are the opposites that are inversed. Therefore, it makes sense that you can claim you're definitely not a right winger now, and that you're a left winger! But if you say you're a left winger now, within Brazil, that means YOU'RE A RIGHT WINGER! And if you're actually a right winger and say you're a left winger instead, YOU'RE LYING! Which means that since you're LYING, you're a conservative right?! I mean, if you're intellectually honest you'll admit that you're mostly wrong within this context, or are just confused and conflate and generalize a bunch of terms and gave an over simplistic assumption of radical leftists and extreme right wing and admit you're both wrong/misunderstand. That would be what an honest intellectual person would do right? But since Brazil likes to inverse conservatives to liberals, and liberals to conservatives, then Brazil may have inversed honesty to dishonesty, and dishonesty to honesty right? Since Brazil can reverse and inverse so many meanings, what are the great implications of this?!  

This makes no sense at all, be normal mf.

[Recursoinominado]

59 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

Nice, so smart.

[Danioover9000]

@Recursoinominado

1 hour ago, Recursoinominado said:

This makes no sense at all, be normal mf.

   If that made no sense, how come you understood my post and are able to read and write? I thought in Buddhism there's 'no mind', so there's no comprehension? What kind of Buddha are you, stoned or walking the road?

Edited May 27, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Juan]

21 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Not relevant.

It’s so relevant that you’re even denial about it. 

[Tanz]

Liberals are more evolved than conservatives yet the liberal mindset can be more dangerous in certain situations such as if a scientist who has altruistic intentions trying to create a cure for a neurodegenerative disease and then wipes out the entire population like in Planet of the Apes with James Franco.  In this case, the liberal mind is less evolved than the conservative mind because the more brilliant wiser person is missing a deeper understanding of a situation. 

There are real-life cases such as the people that created the atomic bomb, they had the intention of creating cheap energy for the world but they lacked the wisdom to understand not everyone involved thinks like them.  

A redneck hick that wants to work hard in construction, grow food, share it with their neighbors, and love their children may be wiser than someone that works in a pharmaceutical company trying to cure cancer and is involved themselves in NGOs.  

There is a higher mind above the human intellect that goes beyond wisdom even.  We are just pawns when it comes to the universal forces that hold the structure of what we call reality.  

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Tanz

[Leo Gura]

Keep the discussion classy. Stop the personal sniping.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Leo Gura

[koops]

On 27/5/2023 at 2:03 AM, Recursoinominado said:

Trump and Ramana Maharshi are both extremes, they are the same, right?

Bro come on 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Tanz

1 hour ago, Tanz said:

Liberals are more evolved than conservatives yet the liberal mindset can be more dangerous in certain situations such as if a scientist who has altruistic intentions trying to create a cure for a neurodegenerative disease and then wipes out the entire population like in Planet of the Apes with James Franco.  In this case, the liberal mind is less evolved than the conservative mind because the more brilliant wiser person is missing a deeper understanding of a situation. 

There are real-life cases such as the people that created the atomic bomb, they had the intention of creating cheap energy for the world but they lacked the wisdom to understand not everyone involved thinks like them.  

A redneck hick that wants to work hard in construction, grow food, share it with their neighbors, and love their children may be wiser than someone that works in a pharmaceutical company trying to cure cancer and is involved themselves in NGOs.  

There is a higher mind above the human intellect that goes beyond wisdom even.  We are just pawns when it comes to the universal forces that hold the structure of what we call reality.  

 

   Is the liberal mindset like the 'ends justify the means', or the 'road to hell is paved with good intentions'?

   So, if they had the intention of doing good, for example make clean energy via nuclear plants, and they lacked the wisdom to understand not everyone thinks like them, then how do they gain more wisdom and understanding?

   How is a redneck hick, working hard in construction, grow and share food with neighbors and family, wiser than a 'someone' that works in a pharmacy company researching to cure cancers and is involved into NGOs? Which role within the pharmacy company are you comparing the construction redneck hick?

   Since there's a higher mind than human intellect, that may go beyond wisdom, that in comparison makes us just pawns when it comes to the universal forces that hold the structure of what we call reality, does this reasoning justify times when fate or destiny abuses and treats human beings terribly? Is this explanation our human coping mechanism when the universe starts becoming evil and abuses human beings?

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

2 hours ago, Juan said:

It’s so relevant that you’re even denial about it. 

   Why are you assuming I'm in denial? About what?

[Danioover9000]

@Recursoinominado

22 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

This makes no sense at all, be normal mf.

   What doesn't make sense? And what do you mean 'mf'?

[Recursoinominado]

6 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Recursoinominado

   What doesn't make sense? And what do you mean 'mf'?

[Juan]

19 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Why are you assuming I'm in denial? About what?

Why are you assuming that I’m assuming about you being in denial? We are clearly talking about what we started to have a conversation on this thread, if it isn’t relevant to you, that’s fine. 

[Schizophonia]

This forum is politically on the left and people will say yes.
On a similar forum more politically right (like ray peat forum) people would say the opposite.
And obviously as we have the experience of what we think, everyone has their anecdotes which demonstrate their point of view, myself included.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Schizophonia

[Danioover9000]

@Recursoinominado

20 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

   What does a GIF have to do with answering my questions?

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

20 hours ago, Juan said:

Why are you assuming that I’m assuming about you being in denial? We are clearly talking about what we started to have a conversation on this thread, if it isn’t relevant to you, that’s fine. 

   Because what you assumed about me is not true, so your denial claims are false and irrelevant, and out of nowhere.

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

20 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

This forum is politically on the left and people will say yes.
On a similar forum more politically right (like ray peat forum) people would say the opposite.
And obviously as we have the experience of what we think, everyone has their anecdotes which demonstrate their point of view, myself included.

   So, in your opinion, what are the strengths and weaknesses of liberal and conservative minded people?

[Recursoinominado]

59 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Recursoinominado

   What does a GIF have to do with answering my questions?

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Schizophonia

   So, in your opinion, what are the strengths and weaknesses of liberal and conservative minded people?

I don't know, I came across everything on both sides.

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

I don't know, I came across everything on both sides.

   What do you mean you don't know the strengths and weaknesses of liberal and conservatives? Came across everything? Both sides? Like you came on everything and both sides of the buns?