Don't Fall For The Ploy Of The Ego Asking For Civility To Avoid Truth

[Razard86]

Jesus was homeless and wore rags yet he called himself the King of Kings. If Jesus tried to teach today majority of the world would ignore him because who listens to a homeless man in rags? 

Many will be off putting of me because I am calling them delusional and liars and saying their arguments are stupid. As a result many will focus on that part and say I should be civil. But notice...humanity created an entire civility/zation. So we create a civility or civil nation= civilization which is all about being polite and not shaking things up. We say tell us lies that make us feel good but don't bring up things like racism, sexism, wage inequality, reparations, unaffordable health care, lack of transparency, the list goes on.

Look at Edward Snowden he whistleblowed on a multinational operation of spying on citizens and is a wanted man by America. America wants to put him in jail because he revealed a truth?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/edward-snowden-discloses-u-s-government-operations

You see? Humanity does not value truth over feeling good. And THIS is why they unknowingly create what they call evil. They will tell an aggressive truth teller like me that I am a narcissist and evil, while they will politely discriminate against you and call themselves good.

Look at this quote by Jesus and tell me if Jesus was civil? 

Matthew 23:27: “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but are within full of dead men’s bones and of all uncleanness.

[Razard86]

Here is a radical opinion, I have more respect for a serial killer who killed 10 people and admitted to it, than a person who will steal my pen and look me in the eye and deny it!!! 

Who do you think has more self love in this example? Really think about that one!!

[Jodistrict]

Jesus would tend to go after important leaders, like spiritual teachers or money lenders who were using the sacred for their own benefit and misleading people.   But for anonymous posters he was more inclined to arrange a meetup and give them free bread and fish.

[Razard86]

38 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Jesus would tend to go after important leaders, like spiritual teachers or money lenders who were using the sacred for their own benefit and misleading people.   But for anonymous posters he was more inclined to arrange a meetup and give them free bread and fish.

Not when those anonymous posters attempt to TEACH!!! When they are teaching they are now Spiritual Teachers!!! Nice try. No wiggling out of this one.

[Jodistrict]

On 5/18/2023 at 11:05 AM, Razard86 said:

Not when those anonymous posters attempt to TEACH!!! When they are teaching they are now Spiritual Teachers!!! Nice try. No wiggling out of this one.

Isn't that what you are doing?  Jesus seemed to have a lot of patience with his disciples.   Jesus went after the authorities who had real power.  He wasn't being reactive, he was rebuking authorities who were doing real harm to others.  

[Schizophonia]

spot on

[Carl-Richard]

Should spiritual teachers be allowed to rape people if they claim that it furthers their ability to teach?

Edited May 19, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Isn't that what you are doing?  Jesus seemed to have a lot of patience with his disciples.   Jesus went after the authorities who had real power.  He wasn't being reactive, he was rebuking authorities who were doing real harm to others.  

Notice you ignored what I just said to make your point!!! You said isn't that what I was doing? Let me ask you, when was Jesus ever patient with the Pharisees. The problem is you have selective reading. If someone teaches, and is a false teacher why would I have patience for a false teacher? The Pharisees were false teachers, therefore he had no patience for them.

A false teacher is a CON ARTIST, why should I be patient with a CON ARTIST. Notice you don't make any sense. If you don't call out false teachers, they will lead the people astray. This is why truth tellers are often viewed as controversial because you when you construct a world based on ENTERTAINMENT, which is delusion and falsehood, then the truth is seen as bad.

[Razard86]

43 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Should spiritual teachers be allowed to rape people if they claim that it furthers their ability to teach?

All force is RAPE, your problem is you make rape only a physical act. Fraud is rape, lying is rape, thievery is rape, murder is rape, what is rape? To use force to get what you want, while ignoring what the other wants!!! THAT IS WHAT RAPE IS, AND ALL OF YOU HERE ARE RAPISTS. Stop with the bullshit.

[Water by the River]

11 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

All force is RAPE, your problem is you make rape only a physical act. Fraud is rape, lying is rape, thievery is rape, murder is rape, what is rape? To use force to get what you want, while ignoring what the other wants!!! THAT IS WHAT RAPE IS, AND ALL OF YOU HERE ARE RAPISTS. Stop with the bullshit.

Sorry, but "all of" us here are not rapists.

But maybe some have something like a Messiah Complex, or something like that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_complex#:~:text=A messiah complex (Christ complex,for saving or assisting others.

"However, the symptoms as a proposed disorder closely resemble those found in individuals with delusions of grandeur or with grandiose self-images that veer towards the delusional."

"In terms of the attitude wherein an individual sees themselves as having to save another or a group of poor people, there is the notion that the action inflates their own sense of importance and discounts the skills and abilities of the people they are helping to improve their own lives"

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Water by the River

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

All force is RAPE, your problem is you make rape only a physical act. Fraud is rape, lying is rape, thievery is rape, murder is rape, what is rape? To use force to get what you want, while ignoring what the other wants!!! THAT IS WHAT RAPE IS, AND ALL OF YOU HERE ARE RAPISTS. Stop with the bullshit.

Let's define rape as something like forceful sexual intercourse without consent. Should spiritual teachers be allowed to rape people if they claim that it furthers their ability to teach?

[Razard86]

14 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Sorry, but all of us here are not rapists.

But maybe some have something like a Messiah Complex, or something like that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_complex#:~:text=A messiah complex (Christ complex,for saving or assisting others.

"However, the symptoms as a proposed disorder closely resemble those found in individuals with delusions of grandeur or with grandiose self-images that veer towards the delusional."

"In terms of the attitude wherein an individual sees themselves as having to save another or a group of poor people, there is the notion that the action inflates their own sense of importance and discounts the skills and abilities of the people they are helping to improve their own lives"

 

Your entire response was a lie, so therefore you are a rapist. 1. Life is created through self-deception. You have to lie to create life. 2. What is it to experience being raped? To experience a lack of control. 3. What is life? A constant feeling of being in control and not being in control. This is why when people complain about life they say life likes to fuck with you. Many people feel like life is raping them because that is what it feels like when you have no control. 4. This is why the ego suffers, because it demonizes a lack of control and therefore it demonizes life itself.

You have told a lie, everyone has at some point, and metaphysically you are lying right now. So that means you are a liar. A liar is a rapist. So you are a rapist. If you deny this, you will be unconscious to how often you frame things to make yourself the good guy and somebody the bad guy. This will allow you to then engage in behavior, scheming behavior to overcome the other person and get what you want in spite of what they want. 

So yes you are a rapist, all of humanity are rapists. You can deny it all you want but it doesn't stop it from being true. You rapist.

[Razard86]

18 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Let's define rape as something like forceful sexual intercourse without consent. Should spiritual teachers be allowed to rape people if they claim that it furthers their ability to teach?

NO!!! Because then you can conveniently construct narratives to demonize rape and say I'm not like that and then you can conveniently construct storylines to make yourself the good guy!!! If you cannot understand that you are JUST AS GUILTY AS EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER LIVED you will delude yourself that you are an honest person.

Until you realize you are what you hate the most, and anything you hate in life is you hating yourself then you will walk around and tell lies unconsciously. The only reason you guys cannot wake up, is because you are lying, hypocrites, who construct narratives of you being the good guy and others being evil.

The secret to life is YOU WERE NEVER EVIL. EVIL DOESN'T EXIST!!! You create evil!! You literally imagine it into existence!!! Then you construct storylines to make your actions good and others bad. And you completely delude yourself and will never be able to discover the truth. You don't like this because you want to be safe. You want a ground and you like using the flawed morality system that humanity has erected and CONTINUALLY VIOLATES!!! You violate it too all the time!!! So why do you use something that you don't even follow?

[Razard86]

In fact here is a funny thing when you lied to your mom as a child to avoid punishment you fucked her over by feeding her false information for personal gain. So you raped your mother and in that moment you were a BAD MOTHERFUCKER!!! Shut yo mouth!!! LOL.

[Water by the River]

7 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

So that means you are a liar. A liar is a rapist. So you are a rapist.

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So yes you are a rapist, all of humanity are rapists. You can deny it all you want but it doesn't stop it from being true. You rapist.

ok. Now please check the forum guide-lines.

quoting from there:

• #1 Rule: Don't Be A Jerk. Speak to people with respect. Be conscious and nice.
• Show a level of respect & humility. Demonstrate kindness, friendliness, and compassion towards fellow members.
• Verbal abuse
• Calling members names like: stupid, idiot, moron, asshole, retard, etc.
• If a user violates our guidelines and shows a disregard for the staff or the community, they run the risk of losing their account. We reserve the right to deactivate any account and to edit or remove any content without warning. These guidelines are subject to change at any time without notice.

Every reader of your post can make up his own mind wether you acted according to the forum guidelines, with some basic decency, and wether you have mental problems or not. And wether these problems are boostet or not by a certain Solipsism-Narcicissm-ideology that apparently you are very fond of.... 

I wish you a much needed Bon Voyage!

Water by the River

[Carl-Richard]

@Razard86 Let's assume you did the sensible thing and answered no to the question (and not the definition). Why? Is it that rape as a general activity probably doesn't help people to awaken to the truth? Is it that rape perpetrated at the hands of the guru reflects something about the guru and not the truth? Now, given that proposition, if your desire is to help people awaken to the truth, why do you need to be an asshole to do that? Does your need to be an asshole reflect something about the truth, or does it reflect something about you? Does you need to be an asshole reflect the needs of the people you're supposedly helping, or does it reflect something about you? Is the truth suddenly not the truth if it doesn't entail hurting somebody's feelings; calling them "delusional", "liar", "idiot", "stupid"; in full caps and with three exclamation marks? I don't think so. I think that to claim that these things are inextricably tied to the truth would only be a corruption of the truth, and it's highly possible to teach it in another way.

Edited May 19, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[zurew]

This is not something new or surprising, this has always been the case - that rhetoric is important and its important for everyone - and it is dishonest to say otherwise.

For instance, If there is someone who is constantly calling you and your mother and your family and your friends names, you will automatically be less open to what that person has to say and thats good , because why would you? Why would you give the same amount of time and attention to everyone without analysing their level of consciousness, education, knowledge, character, openness , intelligence etc.

 

The problem comes when you delude yourself so much, that you think that using asshole rhetoric is necessary. Delivering and conveying your message in an asshole way isn't necessary - its a choice -  and it is counterproductive. 

You can say that 1)"the sky is blue" or you can say 2)"the sky is fucking blue and I am better than you in every possible way , you pathetic,worthless loser". If the main message was to communicate the color of the sky, then you can see how full of noise the second example is, and how much harder it is to be open to it and how it makes the focus on character attack, rather than whats actually important.

[integral]

The invention of Lying