Can we live without beliefs ?

[Carl-Richard]

I would also add that beliefs don't necessarily need to have zero proof (but I would have to challenge your idea of proof). What you mean by proof in this case would be direct experience, but there are many other types of proof beyond that. For example, you can get convincted for a crime based on DNA tests, but the test doesn't "prove" (in your definition of the term) that you actually committed the crime. It only gives you a strong indication that you likely committed the crime (depending on the context), but yet we tend to call that proof (or evidence). That's just one example, but even the fact that you left the car in the garage is in a way proof that the car is in the garage (it's just maybe not a strong proof). So a belief doesn't need to have zero proof, but rather a belief can always be wrong.

[Yimpa]

mind = thought = heart = emotion = world = you = humanity = feeling = pleasure = happiness = namaste = indians = sweet = god = proof = belief = knowing = appearance = true = direct experience = acceptance = help = harm = present

 

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Why do people always add the 'without proof' part to it? Belief doesn't require that it's trusting something is true without proof though, yes, you can believe something without proof but it isn't the only thing that is a belief.

If you have 'proof' it doesn't mean you 'know' which is different from 'believing' because 'knowing' something is built upon a system of beliefs like trusting appearance is true, that perception is true, that understanding is true, that concepts are true, that trusting your direct experience is true.

Since we can't cease to 'believe' something why set up a limiting 'belief' that eliminating all beliefs is some goal to attain. Just accept that we believe and examine those beliefs to find whether they help or harm our being present.

My problem is exactly the need of beliefs i know that just .Because you need something doesn't make it true or right but understanding that does not prove that you have eliminated beliefs from your thought prosses.Maybe aspiring to destroy believes is impossible.But i don’t want to act pretentious cartesian doubt as a term is a gap in my knowledge so i surrender to the intellectually sloppy part.

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I would also add that beliefs don't necessarily need to have zero proof (but I would have to challenge your idea of proof). What you mean by proof in this case would be direct experience, but there are many other types of proof beyond that. For example, you can get convincted for a crime based on DNA tests, but the test doesn't "prove" (in your definition of the term) that you actually committed the crime. It only gives you a strong indication that you likely committed the crime (depending on the context), but yet we tend to call that proof (or evidence). That's just one example, but even the fact that you left the car in the garage is in a way proof that the car is in the garage (it's just maybe not a strong proof). So a belief doesn't need to have zero proof, but rather a belief can always be wrong.

Proof is the antidote to beliefs. The fact that most people assume that it is possible to construct concepts that fully correspond to some aspect of reality objectively does not mean that such a thing is achievable. That's just a convenient illusion that confuses those who need security. All knowledge is only an approximation in my opinion. It is impractical to seek refuge in absolute knowledge. So yes we need beliefs. 

 

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

mind = thought = heart = emotion = world = you = humanity = feeling = pleasure = happiness = namaste = indians = sweet = god = proof = belief = knowing = appearance = true = direct experience = acceptance = help = harm = present

 

@Yimpa haha ..I wanna know what you are high on ..

[SOUL]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

My problem is exactly the need of beliefs i know that just .Because you need something doesn't make it true or right but understanding that does not prove that you have eliminated beliefs from your thought prosses.Maybe aspiring to destroy believes is impossible.But i don’t want to act pretentious cartesian doubt as a term is a gap in my knowledge so i surrender to the intellectually sloppy part.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say, either it's too many typos or what appears to be an unfinished expression of your ideas but I can try to parse out what you meant and respond or maybe you can rephrase it so I don't misunderstand your points.

Although, using the word 'need' suggests it's like food, water or air and so belief is something we 'need' to survive but I'd prefer to suggest it's a mechanism of mind that allows us to get the things we 'need' to survive or avoid the things that would end our survival.

Yet, after that I'm unsure of what you meant, would you clarify for me, thank you.

[Yimpa]

50 minutes ago, Someone here said:

haha ..I wanna know what you are high on ..

Infinite understanding.

[Theplay]

@Someone here Israel man.

I say namaste because its a greeting to your divinity.

That's how I feel it is anyway.

If you are Indian and want to correct me do so.

[tuku747]

What beliefs?

[Yimpa]

8 hours ago, Jehovah increases said:

The belief that one needs to live without beliefs is a belief No?

Now you’re getting somewhere.