Why is Musk aligning himself with the worst alt right figures?

[D2sage]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

it's hard to appreciate online moderation unless you've actually done it for a while.

I had a Kratom forum for a while. Too overwhelming. Left it unchecked for 2 days, came back to a nuclear disaster.

Your job might get simpler soon:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-versus-online-hate-speech#toggle-gdpr

https://ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org/html/2303.03387

AI that detects hate speech is in development.

Edited June 3, 2023 by D2sage

[Danioover9000]

@D2sage

   How does this post:

7 hours ago, D2sage said:

@Danioover9000

Leos statement: "FYI, just today Twitter's 2nd Chief of Safety resigned. So please don't bullshit us about how good Twitter is. Things are not going well there."

That statement is incomplete because it doesn't provide enough context or supporting evidence for the claims he make.

A resignation from a company doesn't automatically imply that things are not going well. People can resign for a variety of reasons.

The tone of Leo G there is confrontational and discourage a balanced discussion.

Instead, he could say: "Twitter's 2nd Chief of Safety resigned, a day after Elon Musk publicly criticized a decision made by the platform regarding content moderation.

That would be a better contribution because it gives some context.

Challenging someone's approach is not the same as calling them a liar. I was just suggesting a way he could make his points stronger.

The idea of an informed debate doesn't necessarily contradict this forum guidelines. It's about creating a space to discuss and learn.

Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't productive.

 

 

Leo's background in philosophy indeed makes him valuable argumentation and critical thinking, and I respect his expertise. However, expertise in one field, like philosophy, doesn't automatically translate into a comprehensive understanding of all topics.

My suggestions are not demands, but thoughts aimed at enriching the understanding of the political topic.

   only answer a few points but most not answered all the questions in my post:

7 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@D2sage

1. So, the tradeoff and cost of delving into one situation, is you get lost in the details of one source, and no longer can be broad and general?

2. Yet, you demand @Leo Gura to delve into details more, which doesn't compute with your claims of 'understanding broad context BUT ALSO scrutinize important points'. So are you trying to lead Leo into unbalancing his time and energy into one issue when he's dealing with multiple issues?

3. Is that because Elon Musk wants to be in control and manage himself who gets to say and post in Twitter, and who doesn't? How does this support his freedom of speech and freedom to say points, especially right wing talking points, when he himself seeks to control other's speeches and wants to moderate their speeches?

4. How do we make informed contributions in discussions, when in Twitter we saw so much more hate speech, trolling and misinformation from right wing under Elon Musk's leadership? Under Elon Musk's guidance, he fired and let off more than 50% of the staff, tries to monetize via blue bird tags, yet the haters and trolls still can impersonate with the blue birds? How can we have a good faith charitable discourse when most are bad faith, uncharitable and troll and hate? How is this a good example of leadership and taking charge when there's much more problems under Elon, especially when he's being indiscriminate with moderating for left wing speech too ?

5. Same as point 4, how can we balance free speech with respect and safety when there's an increasing hate speech and trolling within Twitter under Elon Musk's charge? Mr. Freedom of speech here had to increase moderation of speech when the right wing haters and trolls increased, so how's that a good example?

6. Why are you denying that you're challenging @Leo Gura by calling him a liar? Are you not implying he's full of BS when you complained to him about 'skimming the headlines' and really suggesting him to have deep nuance?

7. Why are you assuming that this forum should be informed debate and argumentations? Why are you trying to challenge the forum guidelines of no debating and arguing here? Do you not see the limitations of arguing and debating of all types? Why should @Leo Gura capitulate to your demands when this is his forum not yours and that since he was a student of philosophy, which involves a lot of arguing, would that make him more experienced over you in terms of knowing the limits of debating?

I refuse to be silent and will ask many questions about you to clarify your definitions, reasoning and logic, your assumptions and presumptions, maybe your proof of your various claims, and, your assumptions. After all, by demanding me to be quiet, that gets you a pass to spouting nonsense doesn't it?

 

[D2sage]

@Danioover9000

 

43 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

How do we make informed contributions in discussions, when in Twitter we saw so much more hate speech, trolling and misinformation from right wing under Elon Musk's leadership?

For example, you can point out the fact that the ISD also found an increase of nearly 70% in Islamic State accounts.

Perhaps some of these 70% also contributed to hate speech?

Twitter is a private company now and they serve as a public forum where people can express their views. More trolls is expected.

Relax, hate speech on twitter will fade away. There is a far greater platform with hate speech and misinformation.

Stop talking like the left-wings are some sort of saints.

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by D2sage

[D2sage]

54 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Why are you assuming that this forum should be informed

Otherwise we get misinformed? Then you're not so different from Twitter and Musk are you.

If you gonna talk politic, be informed on the subject or don't talk.

Edited June 3, 2023 by D2sage

[Danioover9000]

@D2sage

1 hour ago, D2sage said:

@Danioover9000

 

For example, you can point out the fact that the ISD also found an increase of nearly 70% in Islamic State accounts.

Perhaps some of these 70% also contributed to hate speech?

Twitter is a private company now and they serve as a public forum where people can express their views. More trolls is expected.

Relax, hate speech on twitter will fade away. There is a far greater platform with hate speech and misinformation.

Stop talking like the left-wings are some sort of saints.

 

   ISD found an increase of nearly 70% in Islamic State accounts, during Elon Musk's leadership of Twitter? Where did you get this information, can you link?

   So, you're now making this 70% of Islamic state accounts, some contributing to the current hate speech within Twitter, as the main contributor to hate speech and no other contributors are a factor?

   Now Twitter is a smaller private company, serving as a public forum where people can express their views. However, there's more trolling and hate speech and critics during Elon Musk joining and leading Twitter versus prior to Elon Musk joining, the average trolling and hating was moderated much more prior to Elon Musk joining, so why was trolling and hate speech increased far more under Elon Musk?

   Which are the platforms with greater hate speech and trolling and misinformation than current Twitter?

   Why are you assuming I'm talking like left wings are saints of some sorts? 

[Danioover9000]

@D2sage

1 hour ago, D2sage said:

Otherwise we get misinformed? Then you're not so different from Twitter and Musk are you.

If you gonna talk politic, be informed on the subject or don't talk.

Why did you change my question from this:

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

7. Why are you assuming that this forum should be informed debate and argumentations?

to this?

1 hour ago, D2sage said:

Why are you assuming that this forum should be informed

Is this because you want me to look silly, asking why are you assuming that this forum should be informed, when the obvious conclusion everyone may come to is more informed means less misinformed?

 However, in the original question I asked about INFORMED DEBATES AND ARGUMENTATIONS, which is what you were arguing about with @Leo Gura, arguing about the forum policies and that you demanded, not suggested, that he change his policy to fit your standards and called out perceived biases on his part, which assumes that he wasn't aware of and knowledge of the limitations of debating and arguing, and also that he's 'skimming of the headline' has made you strongly suggest to him to 'delve deeply' into the hot mess that is current Twitter.

 

[D2sage]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

 ISD found an increase of nearly 70% in Islamic State accounts, during Elon Musk's leadership of Twitter? Where did you get this information, can you link?

   So, you're now making this 70% of Islamic state accounts, some contributing to the current hate speech within Twitter, as the main contributor to hate speech and no other contributors are a factor?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65246394

https://gnet-research.org/2022/11/18/islamic-state-supporters-on-twitter-how-is-new-twitter-handling-an-old-problem/

Did I say it was the main contributor? It is a factor in the equation.

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Which are the platforms with greater hate speech and trolling and misinformation than current Twitter?

TikTok has 200% more users.

TikTok races ahead of Facebook, Google and Twitter in fight against harmful content

My post there contains links to various studies. Like how only 5% of accounts sending direct antisemitic abuse getting banned. There are a bunch of links there. You commented on that post but you did not actually look into the facts???

If you read you would already know much worse it is.

I wonder how many of you there are on this forum who cant read.

As of 2023, TikTok has about 1.4 billion monthly active users, which is expected to reach 1.8 billion by the end of the year. On the other hand, Twitter has approximately 396.5 million monthly active users. This means that TikTok has over 1 billion more users than Twitter

https://quantummarketer.com/twitter-statistics/

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/tik-tok-statistics/

Now you are informed

People who think Twitter is worse than Tiktok are simply morons and have the attention span that of a goldfish. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by D2sage