When "Massive Value" Providers Get Away with Sin

[mmKay]

You only slap mosquitoes because you know it stings when they bite

[ZenAlex]

On 12/05/2023 at 0:28 PM, Leo Gura said:

But why does someone have power? Because they are needed by others. And the reason others need them is because they provide value and aid in survival.

You can't avoid the fact that powerful people do a lot of objective good by helping others survive and feed their families. Despite any moral depravity.

What about people who inherit power?

[Leo Gura]

19 hours ago, ZenAlex said:

What about people who inherit power?

Keeping power for long is almost impossible unless you wield it effectively. Power has a self-correcting quality. Those who misuse it soon lose it.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[jimwell]

On 6/29/2023 at 1:38 PM, Leo Gura said:

Keeping power for long is almost impossible unless you wield it effectively. Power has a self-correcting quality. Those who misuse it soon lose it.

North Korea's Kim Jong Un must have provided massive value to North Koreans despite reports of human rights violations and starvation in his country. How else would he have stayed in power for many years?

It's the same thing with China's Xi Jin Ping.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, jimwell said:

North Korea's Kim Jong Un must have provided massive value to North Koreans despite reports of human rights violations and starvation in his country. How else would he have stayed in power for many years?

It's the same thing with China's Xi Jin Ping.

He does provide enormous protection for the North Korean elite families.

But North Korea is a rather exceptional case where abusive power is maintained long-term through insane totalitarian control. That kind of thing simply is impossible in most parts of world today and it never will be again.

What all dictators provide is simply one thing: security in an environment that is ready to break out into utter savagery. And that is a very valuable service. For a while.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Leo Gura

[StarStruck]

Virtue is debit while sin is credit. You can actually off set the one against the other and max your dharma. 

[jimwell]

On 7/2/2023 at 6:48 AM, Leo Gura said:

But North Korea is a rather exceptional case where abusive power is maintained long-term through insane totalitarian control. That kind of thing simply is impossible in most parts of world today and it never will be again.

Yes. But I think the more significant reason is the intense brainwashing of North Korean kids. Kids are taught Kim Jong Un is a noble leader, a national father, and even a God and can't be punished. The brainwashing is similar to the brainwashing done by Imperial Japan to gullible Japanese citizens before and during WW2.

Childhood brainwashing is very effective. I think about Christians and Muslims being unable to escape the mind virus of religion. It doesn't matter how absurd their religious dogma is or what their priests or pastors do. Most of them stay Christian or Muslim until death.    

 

On 7/2/2023 at 8:11 AM, StarStruck said:

Virtue is debit while sin is credit. You can actually off set the one against the other and max your dharma. 

But the correct mindset is to maximize the good things you can do and minimize the bad stuff; not maximize the wrong things because of greed, and compensate them by doing good things.

[StarStruck]

@jimwell in business you both need debit and credit. Just working with debit will hamper your growth. 

[jimwell]

Just now, StarStruck said:

@jimwell in business you both need debit and credit. Just working with debit will hamper your growth. 

 Don't conflate business and spirituality (or goodness).

[StarStruck]

3 minutes ago, jimwell said:

 Don't conflate business and spirituality (or goodness).

You are making the mistake that spirituality is isolated from life. 

While in reality you can’t be good without having the ability to be bad. Jordan Peterson explains this very well in his books. 

 

[jimwell]

12 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

You are making the mistake that spirituality is isolated from life. 

I never said spirituality excludes survival. 

 

12 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

While in reality you can’t be good without having the ability to be bad. Jordan Peterson explains this very well in his books. 

Nothing I said implies that you can.

You have derailed and are now on the wrong path. Better contemplate what I said.

[Tanz]

On 7/2/2023 at 4:13 AM, jimwell said:

North Korea's Kim Jong Un must have provided massive value to North Koreans despite reports of human rights violations and starvation in his country. How else would he have stayed in power for many years?

It's the same thing with China's Xi Jin Ping.

China relies on North Korea for minerals, resources, and supplies to build stuff in their factories to then sell the goods to America and other developed countries.  Western companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Tesla to name a few to make money and give people jobs.  Americans thrive from North Korea and China's questionable ethics.  

We are as guilty as Xi Jin Ping, Kim Jong Un, Putin, and whomever you want to add to the list.  

Edited July 4, 2023 by Tanz

[mmKay]

Food for thought related with the topic. Would you stay in a relationship with someone who f*cks your brains out 10 times a week but ocasionally physically abuses you??

More directed towards women.

Why yes?

Why not?

Are you actually sure It would be that way?

Edited July 4, 2023 by mmKay

[jimwell]

On 7/4/2023 at 9:34 PM, Tanz said:

China relies on North Korea for minerals, resources, and supplies to build stuff in their factories to then sell the goods to America and other developed countries.  Western companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Tesla to name a few to make money and give people jobs.  Americans thrive from North Korea and China's questionable ethics.  

We are as guilty as Xi Jin Ping, Kim Jong Un, Putin, and whomever you want to add to the list.  

Probably not as guilty. But yes, the USA and its allies are also metaphorically dirty.  

 

On 7/5/2023 at 0:37 AM, mmKay said:

Food for thought related with the topic. Would you stay in a relationship with someone who f*cks your brains out 10 times a week but ocasionally physically abuses you??

More directed towards women.

Why yes?

Why not?

Are you actually sure It would be that way?

That's interesting.

How about you? What would you do?