I am The Dark Night Of The Soul I am Your Bad Trip

[OBEler]

@Razard86 I completely understand what you say. Just one issue: i get that I only see an appearece of Individuals made of my consciousness and if I dont perceive them they chease to exist from MY Reality. But that's only my reality.what about other realities? Do they really chease to exist from a meta perspective?

In other words: YOUR reality continues for YOU if I dont perceive you. So Your reality doesnt chease out of existence for you, if I dont perceive you. Do you agree? 

[OBEler]

@Razard86 can you try to answer my question? This is really puzzling me. I know I never can know if someone has an experience outside of my human ego but that doesnt lead to the conclusion that the experience outside of human ego never happens. 

Everything ultimately happens within the greater mind/God, so why aren't multiple experiences occurring within God?

Edited May 13, 2023 by OBEler

[Razard86]

23 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Razard86 I completely understand what you say. Just one issue: i get that I only see an appearece of Individuals made of my consciousness and if I dont perceive them they chease to exist from MY Reality. But that's only my reality.what about other realities? Do they really chease to exist from a meta perspective?

In other words: YOUR reality continues for YOU if I dont perceive you. So Your reality doesnt chease out of existence for you, if I dont perceive you. Do you agree? 

There are no other realities. NONE!! ONLY YOU EXIST!!! Reality=God!! For there to be other realities you would have to grant Godhood to everyone you see. This goes into the Leo's Infinity of Gods awakening. Now since you are God, you can TELL YOURSELF that other realities equal to your own exist. This recreates the concept of OTHER, but it does it on a metaperspective. This is definitely something in line with what God would do because the theme of God is empowerment. So God WOULD create copies of itself. 

But guess what? God is ONE!! So those copies WILL COLLAPSE when your human dream ends. God has only one limit, it cannot be anything other than ONE. EVER!!! Even when it makes copies, those copies are IDENTICAL!!! Why? Because everything is nothing, everything is awareness/consciousness, love, and infinity. It is COMPLETELY identical even if it expresses itself differently. As a result the Infinity of Gods will ALWAYS collapse back into ONE. Absolute Truth will always be ONE, expressing itself in an unlimited absolute infinity of ways. But those ways are just appearances!!! They will always be appearances. Don't get too attached to appearance, its like getting attached to drawings, and photos. If you want to become attached to anything, attach yourself to the fact that you are a MIND. 

What is a mind? A mind is a screen which conjures things into its awareness. So all sensations visual, touch, sound, body pain, emotional pain, this is all just imagination in your mind. But you think your mind is just in your head. It's not. Close your eyes, notice you claim your entire black screen is your mind. Then you open your eyes and claim only where you think your face/head is located is now your mind. So here is how you untrick yourself. Close your eyes, this is mind. Open your eyes and realize that there is no difference between opening or closing your eyes outside of a visual appearance. THUS if the entire screen of black you see with closed eyes is MIND, then what you see before you is ALSO MIND.

Now with that said, your MIND is the ABSOLUTE!!! There are NO OTHER MINDS!!! This means if something does not exist RIGHT NOW in your direct experience IT DOES NOT EXIST!!! Let's go back to the dream model. In your dream the only thing that exists is what you experience. Now you can tell yourself in your dream through other characters that when they left your presence they had their own experiences. But guess what? When you awaken from that dream you know that was a lie? How? Because YOU ARE THE DREAM!!! 

Really understand what is being communicated here!! When you watch the news and they tell you there was an earthquake... somewhere in the world. IT NEVER HAPPENED!!! But as you watch that news and they show you images of people hurt by destruction your mind is CREATING a backstory. It is creating the past in the present. That is no different than you right now writing a novel saying 10 years ago there was a dragon that attacked the village blah blah blah. You are creating a past in the present.

THIS IS HOW YOU FOOL YOURSELF!!! Right now you believe there is some other person writing these words to you. But the TRUTH is everyone on the forum is just you TALKING to yourself PRETENDING to be an individual with their own life. Your entire life is just a grand conspiracy against yourself to fool yourself. THERE IS ONLY YOU!!! That's it!! NOTHING exists apart from you. Your individual perspective IS THE ABSOLUTE!!! PERIOD!!!

The funny thing is when you TRULY realize what is being said....you will LAUGH!!! It is utterly hilarious!!! It's like how the hell I get fooled into thinking this was different than a dream!! Science can never disprove this by the way, but they will try to fool you with explanation NOT grounded in direct experience. Which is hilarious!!! Because that violates what Science is about. It's why you see Leo so hard on Science because they are CORRUPT as SHIT!!! Science is so got damn corrupt to not have discovered something so BLATANTLY OBVIOUS!!!

This is why Leo is so hard on humans, humans are blatant liars!!! They are so scared of the truth they lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie!!! I mean this truth is OBVIOUS AS ALL HELL!!! And notice how many people are resisting it? It's freaking hilarious!!!

Edited May 13, 2023 by Razard86

[Water by the River]

On 12.5.2023 at 1:15 PM, OBEler said:

@Razard86 I completely understand what you say. Just one issue: i get that I only see an appearece of Individuals made of my consciousness and if I dont perceive them they chease to exist from MY Reality. But that's only my reality.what about other realities? Do they really chease to exist from a meta perspective?

In other words: YOUR reality continues for YOU if I dont perceive you. So Your reality doesnt chease out of existence for you, if I dont perceive you. Do you agree? 

 

4 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Razard86 can you try to answer my question? This is really puzzling me. I know I never can know if someone has an experience outside of my human ego but that doesnt lead to the conclusion that the experience outside of human ego never happens. 

Everything ultimately happens within the greater mind/God, so why aren't multiple experiences occurring within God?

 

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

But guess what? God is ONE!! So those copies WILL COLLAPSE when your human dream ends. 

Razard86, in my humble opinion, you didn't answer the question of OBEler. But maybe OBEler got it, and I didn't. 

The other beings/perspectives don't collapse or end when you or OBEler (or I) die/end.

• Indras Net and Impersonal Consciousness/Nothingness (which we really are, already now, we just "forget" all other perspectives/beings) will continue fine without all of "us".
• To think it all ends if a certain perspective is switched off is solipsistic madness. Thinking the Totality stops when one separate perspective is shut off...
• Its like looking a bit too deep into the pond like Narcissus did, and boosting it with the power of an Infinity of Gods.

Don't you intuit that the exactly same consciousness/Nothingness that you are is every other being? When I look at other beings, I intuit the same consciousness that I really am (and every being is). Their mindstream arisings arise in that Nothingness/Consciousness exactly as in mine. There is no difference. That Nothingness is the essence of everything, all perspectives, every appearance in Reality. Nondual, infinite Nothingness, Reality itself.

The same Nothingness/Consciousness that we all are can continue very well without you and me, and anybody else. It can't go anywhere. "It" is already everyhting, everyone, infinite and total.

You only get problems with answering these questions if you confuse Totally Empty Consciousness/Nothingness with something not so empty. Like a totally empty separate self/witness, with some individuality still left, hovering in a nondual field. Especially easy to get there with psychedelics. Or even worse: "Thinking" ones way there, watching one Youtube-video or two too many...

 Going down that road, one has to use construct funny concepts like Infinity of Gods (very nondual indeed), and other Solipsistic funny stuff, making space for a separate self blown up to God-like proportions.

The funny thing with Solipsism is: If you proclaim you are the only one having a sentient perspective, every one else having also sentience and consciousness knows that you are, well, a bit nuts... 

Probably this here is peak solipsistic/Infinity-of-Gods madness. The top level to where you can drive a still separate self Gestalt, proclaiming it is God and that there are an Infinity of other Gods. But hey, what do I know....

And now please throw some arguments from the Absolute Side of the Street at me 

Bon Voyage

Water by the River

 

Edited May 13, 2023 by Water by the River

[OBEler]

I dont got it ..@Razard86 can you directly answer my question? Not talking around the bush plz

I can understand that everything is equal from higher perspective and god creates infinite copies etcs but what would help me if you really just answer my question directly. Even if it is a yes and no question or a question answered from different perspectives, this would clear things up. 

You said:"Now with that said, your MIND is the ABSOLUTE!!! There are NO OTHER MINDS!!! This means if something does not exist RIGHT NOW in your direct experience IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!" 

I get it there exist no other minds for me. But why cannot exist other absolute minds for others ? Why cannot have every human being his own absolute mind with his own appearances and this absolute mind is same in everyone in the end but if I see a chair in my mind and thats the only thing in existence for me and you watch some porn in your mind and thats only for you happening, so cannot be both exist then even if they are one and the same absolutely? 

 

Here Was my question:

" I completely understand what you say. Just one issue: i get that I only see an appearece of Individuals made of my consciousness and if I dont perceive them they chease to exist from MY Reality. But that's only my reality.what about other realities? Do they really chease to exist from a meta perspective?

In other words: YOUR reality continues for YOU if I dont" perceive you. So Your reality doesnt chease out of existence for you, if I dont perceive you. Do you agree? "

 

Edited May 13, 2023 by OBEler

[Yimpa]

On 5/12/2023 at 6:15 AM, OBEler said:

Do they really chease to exist from a meta perspective?

Chease?

[OBEler]

@Yimpa Sorry I mean cease/stopping to exist

Edited May 13, 2023 by OBEler

[Yimpa]

On 5/12/2023 at 6:15 AM, OBEler said:

In other words: YOUR reality continues for YOU if I dont perceive you. So Your reality doesnt chease out of existence for you, if I dont perceive you. Do you agree? 

I never thought to frame the illusion of other like this. Thank you!

Edited May 13, 2023 by Yimpa