Transgenderism and transrace

[Blackhawk]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Blackhawk

   What do you mean not the same thing when others are involved? Letting people do stuff implies people are involved. Letting trans people into women's combat sports, with their higher testosterone levels, implies multiple trans people competing with multiple women.

   So, if it's only with them, with the outsiders, and you don't witness or know, then it doesn't matter? So, until you're involved with fighting a trans person, until you're getting beaten, then it's not that important? 

If people compete in sports, they do it because they expect a fair game. A man competing against a woman is not a fair game.

But on the other hand sports can never be fair because people are born differently etc. And if it would be fair then it would be a tie.

[Blackhawk]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Blackhawk

   Why wouldn't you judge?

I don't know.

[Danioover9000]

@Blackhawk

1 minute ago, Blackhawk said:

If people compete in sports, they do it because they expect a fair game. A man competing against a woman is not a fair game.

But on the other hand sports can never be fair because people are born differently etc. And if it would be fair then it would be a tie.

   If this is true, then you've judged, and generalized that all people compete in sports because they expect a fair game. A man that's a transgender competing against a woman is not a fair game, although it's important to specify the type of sport. I said combat sports which for example is boxing, wrestling, MMA, so under these types it's highly unfair. Which means all this implies that you're assuming, and drawing distinctions and judging one group of people versus another, so you're contradicted what you've stated as you don't care about others and that you don't judge, seems like you do. Is my assumption of your conclusions you've drawn accurate?

   What do you mean sports can never be unfair because people are born differently? Do you mean that sports unfairness is universal? If it's unfair universally, and if there's fairness then it's a tie, then would this be you judging and caring and creating distinctions?

[Danioover9000]

@Blackhawk

6 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

I don't know.

   Why would you answer my question 'why wouldn't you judge?' with an 'I don't know?'?

   Are you assuming that saying 'I don't know' is enough reason to support your claim of not judging nor caring about the net negative of people's actions, along with transrace and transgender issues?

[Leo Gura]

23 hours ago, Roy said:

C'mon man. I said I wasn't referring to figureheads, and you bring up the most head-in-the-sand one lol. I was talking about day to day people on the street.

Although it seems Canadian conservatives and American conservatives different cuts from the same cloth.

I don't see how Crowder is any different than your average young male conservative. If anything, I think he represents them perfectly in his public and private behavior. It's actually kinda nice that Crowder is an open book.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Leo Gura

[thierry]

The difference between Man and Wman is Imaginary b ;€

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see how Crowder is any different than your average young male conservative. If anything, I think he represents them perfectly in his public and private behavior. It's actually kinda nice that Crowder is an open book.

   I'm centrist conservative, yet I don't think, feel and behave like Steven Crowder, so is he really a good example of the average conservative? Especially when we factor into Stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, life experiences and other lines of development, and different ideological indoctrinations? I feel that demographically he might be representative of conservative, but psychographics might be more diverse here, especially if we factor in other countries and environments as well. 

[Danioover9000]

@RebornConsciousness

10 hours ago, RebornConsciousness said:

Alright, I give up

   Never give up questioning. He gave up on me when he can't answer anymore, see?

[Danioover9000]

   Can we talk about Michael Jackson here? I feel he's nearly the perfect example of transrace, and maybe transgenderism, but nobody is pushing back on if this is a goad example or not. So, is he, or is there a better one?

[Willie]

15 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Can we talk about Michael Jackson here? I feel he's nearly the perfect example of transrace, and maybe transgenderism, but nobody is pushing back on if this is a goad example or not. So, is he, or is there a better one?

Makes sense to me...

[Roy]

On 5/6/2023 at 6:53 PM, Leo Gura said:

I don't see how Crowder is any different than your average young male conservative. If anything, I think he represents them perfectly in his public and private behavior.

I don't think the average young male (or female) conservative is a wife beating unhinged, openly misogynistic, government hating idiot.

Just like I don't think the average young liberal is a blue haired, 69 gender believing, corporate hating, eco terrorist.

[Danioover9000]

@Roy

14 minutes ago, Roy said:

I don't think the average young male (or female) conservative is a wife beating unhinged, openly misogynistic, government hating idiot.

Just like I don't think the average young liberal is a blue haired, 69 gender believing, corporate hating, eco terrorist.

   I think it's one of those trolling tests, he's testing our common sense again.

[ZoweeZoe]

As someone who identifies with the trangender label and nonbinary label, I feel I can make a contribution to this discussion (hopefully but no promises). 

When asking the question such as - Should  or shouldn't transgender people transition? The answer to that question is completely arbitrary. I believe both @Roy and @Danioover9000 agree that "transgenderism" and "transracialism" are completely pointless - and I would also completely agree. 

But what is also pointless? I would say it is pointless to be concerned with transgenderism and transracialism (again, borrowing terms from the discussion; not my own) to any extent. Just as a transgender person suffers because they cannot become what they idealize - so too does the "phobic" suffer by trying to force a transgender person to their own idealization. None of this is good or bad. It just is. 

In reality, we are all our own slaves. 

[thierry]

 

[Danioover9000]

@ZoweeZoe

7 hours ago, ZoweeZoe said:

As someone who identifies with the trangender label and nonbinary label, I feel I can make a contribution to this discussion (hopefully but no promises). 

When asking the question such as - Should  or shouldn't transgender people transition? The answer to that question is completely arbitrary. I believe both @Roy and @Danioover9000 agree that "transgenderism" and "transracialism" are completely pointless - and I would also completely agree. 

But what is also pointless? I would say it is pointless to be concerned with transgenderism and transracialism (again, borrowing terms from the discussion; not my own) to any extent. Just as a transgender person suffers because they cannot become what they idealize - so too does the "phobic" suffer by trying to force a transgender person to their own idealization. None of this is good or bad. It just is. 

In reality, we are all our own slaves. 

   I think @Roy and I may agree on the starting premise that it's existentially pointless when or when not transgender people transition, or that transgenderism and transracialism is fundamentally pointless. However, I think both of us would disagree over the specifics, contextualization and relativity of the factors needed to make sense of whether transgendered people should or shouldn't transition, and whether transrace or transgenderism are pointless when some are emotionally attached to these ideologies.

   For example, how do you know when a child really has gender dysphoria, by birth, or just because saying their gender dysphoric/trans is another way of getting attention from their in-group or it's a result of peer pressure? When is it the right time to transition physically, undergo surgery, remove male parts or add female parts? I assume @Roy's answer will be the same as mine: that the child should go through therapy for a couple of years to determine if that gender dysphoria is genuine, then after that they can go to HTR, and if that's successful, after reaching age of consent, as an adult you can apply for physical transition. That's my position and @Roy's. The same line of reasoning with race, how do we know the child really wants to be white, but is born with melatonin that makes him appear African American or some other ethnicity/nationality?

   I think here both @Roy and I may disagree more with the concern is pointless argument, because this is such an easy way to write off actually concerns to half concerns of events and people effected by certain ideologies, and concern of whether behaviors and actions that were taken were wrong in context. If we encounter someone who has transitioned, but in retrospect is now regretting their decision, should we not take that into account for future cases going forward? Should we take more precautionary steps, instead of rushing a confused teenager/child, suffering from gender dysphoria/other dysphoria, into transitioning more out of ideology and less out of that person's genuine well-being?

[Juan]

12 hours ago, Roy said:

I don't think the average young male (or female) conservative is a wife beating unhinged, openly misogynistic, government hating idiot.

Meh the evidence is out there, if you socialize a lot then even better, conservatives tends to have more anger issues than liberals, closed minded, limiting beliefs, neurotic, racist, overall less conscious than liberals so I could expect such behaviors like Crowder even tho he is a know figure, he represents a lot of the characteristics of the average conservative person. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Juan

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

22 minutes ago, Juan said:

Meh the evidence is out there, if you socialize a lot then even better, conservatives tends to have more anger issues than liberals, more closed minded, limiting beliefs, neurotic, overall less conscious than liberals so I could expect such behaviors like Crowder even tho he is a know figure, he represents a lot of the characteristics of the average conservative person. 

   How is Crowder the representative of the average conservative, and not representative of the average white supremacist?

   How are conservatives more angrier than liberals?

   How are conservatives only close minded?

   How are conservatives the only ones with limiting beliefs, but not liberals?

   How are conservatives more neurotic, and not the online left?

[Juan]

9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   How are conservatives more angrier than liberals?

   How are conservatives only close minded?

   How are conservatives the only ones with limiting beliefs, but not liberals?

   How are conservatives more neurotic, and not the online left?

I just shared a couple of videos my guy, if not then the other option is being out there socializing. I used also a specific word on my post which was “tends to have” or to be, not always, but many times it could.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Juan

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

8 minutes ago, Juan said:

I just shared a couple of videos my guy, if not then the other option is being out there socializing. I used also a specific word on my post which was “tends to have” or to be, not always, but many times it could.

   How is Jubilee and The Cut credible YouTube videos enough that you'd use them to support your claim that Steven Crowder is representative of all conservatives?

   Out there socializing? What if the area you're in has more far right nationalists than conservatives? Does that mean when I interact with a small sample of that population, that then I can claim that Steven Crowder represents all conservatives? Have you interacted with Steven crowder then?

   So, because there 'tends to have' which means there's a pattern, is sufficient justification that one person represents an entire group?

   Which means, by implication, that any claims against transgenderism and transrace isn't valid?

Edited May 8, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Juan]

3 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

  How is Jubilee and The Cut credible YouTube videos enough that you'd use them to support your claim that Steven Crowder is representative of all conservatives?

We are talking about the average conservative here, read carefully our posts please. 

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

  Out there socializing? What if the area you're in has more far right nationalists than conservatives? Does that mean when I interact with a small sample of that population, that then I can claim that Steven Crowder represents all conservatives? Have you interacted with Steven crowder then?

Same respond as before, the average, not all, you do the best you can do to study your area and other countries. 

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   So, because there 'tends to have' which means there's a pattern, is sufficient justification that one person represents an entire group?

Correct, the way these people respond to certain questions, there is a pattern and the answers they give are very similar if not the same.

11 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Which means, by implication, that any claims against transgenderism and transrace isn't valid?

I haven’t said anything about it, I was just responding to Roy about conservative people. You really need to read carefully and slower I suppose, any claims from a conservative or any person, we should take it for consideration.