Robert F. Kennedy Jr. running for POTUS

[Leo Gura]

I mean, DeSantis has gone batshit crazy lately pandering to the right. But at least he is a new face. Trump is a one-trick pony and he played his only trick a long time ago. It will never work again.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I think that idea is laughable.

Biden os way tougher on Putin than Trump was.

Okay, yeah that's what I thought. In fact, Trump was basically playing nice with Putin primarily because he was really in Putin's pocket.

At least has the balls to public announce that Putin is a thug and a killer. Furthermore, and most importantly, Biden was truly the main leader of NATO who came up with the idea of uniting NATO and Ukraine against Russia. None of the leader of any of the other countries in NATO such as Macron, Trudeau, Johnson (I believe at the time), Merkel, or anyone else in NATO other than Biden.

He may not have the great appeal, youthful appearance, commanding presence, intellectual giftedness that Obama and Bill Clinton had, but he is definitely politically savvy in his own right. He undeniably has had the greatest amount of experience, knowledge, and intuitive understanding of how things work in Washington, politics, foreign affairs, than literally any other president in US history. Plus, he did graduate from a decent law school without much help unlike the kind of unfair advantage that W. Bush and Trump got from each of their fathers' connections to the respective schools they each graduated from. Not to mention, that Biden like Obama was a constitutional law professor at a top university.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Hardkill

[Hardkill]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I mean, DeSantis has gone batshit crazy lately pandering to the right. But at least he is a new face. Trump is a one-trick pony and he played his own trick. It will never work again.

Even if DeSantis would be a new face for the entire GOP, not only is coming off as fascist to some majority of Americans, he doesn't really even have charisma like Trump does, let alone doesn't have in anyway the broad appeal charisma that Reagan had. I've seen how DeSantis converses with people and he really comes off as a boring person who isn't able to even connect well with others socially. Trump is skilled with coming off as being relating to a lot of people at a deep level, is witty, and influenced a sizable portion of Americans to never waver in their loyalty and devotion to him regardless of what scandal or what political issue he's involved in. Reagan was also a "teflon" president who had an aura of warmth and invincibility that both strengthened his influence with Congress and helped make the criticisms of his shortcomings become not much of a problem for him politically.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

DeSantis should be aiming for 2028.

It is not yet his time.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

DeSantis should be aiming for 2028.

It is not yet his time.

He and the Republican party need to shift a lot more to the center as soon as they can. Ever since Bush ended his presidency in 2009, the GOP as a whole has undoubtedly become increasingly an unpopular and undemocratic party, especially ever since Trump first rose to power in 2016. Not only has the Republican party won the popular vote in presidential election only once out of the past 8 presidential elections since 1988, but also no republican presidential candidate has ever actually won the majority of moderate voters throughout the whole country since 1984. DeSantis himself has now turned out to be both unpopular and perceived to be a fascist even within his own state.

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Hardkill

[Recursoinominado]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

I am totally with you on everything you just said, but do you think that Biden will be able to convince the majority of Americans that he is capable of serving 2nd term, despite the fact that most Americans still think he's too old for the job?

He did it one time, even though those points were raised to exaustion.

[thenondualtankie]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

He and the Republican party need to shift a lot more to the center as soon as they can. Ever since Bush ended his presidency in 2009, the GOP as a whole has undoubtedly become increasingly an unpopular and undemocratic party, especially ever since Trump first rose to power in 2016. Not only has the Republican party won the popular vote in presidential election only once out of the past 8 presidential elections since 1988, but also no republican presidential candidate has ever actually won the majority of moderate voters throughout the whole country since 1984. DeSantis himself has now turned out to be both unpopular and perceived to be a fascist even within his own state.

 

That's interesting. If Republicans have only been surviving elections off gerrymandering alone then they will eventually be forced to become more center. This would probably allow the Dems to be more left.

I've seen a lot of stuff that indicates the Republican party is on its way out. In many ways at least.

[OldManCorcoran]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I mean, DeSantis has gone batshit crazy lately pandering to the right. But at least he is a new face. Trump is a one-trick pony and he played his only trick a long time ago. It will never work again.

This is the current state of things. Extremism leading to extremism leading to extremism.

Dem party is psychotic, I follow a lot of detransitioners as well as transexuals to help understand what is going on. You would be very surprised at the lax approach enforced in transitioning children with almost zero psych evaluation. For some reason parties have picked this as THE hill to fight and die on.

There are some other issues of course (RIDICULOUS laws allowing looting and vandalism etc) but right now that is like the battleground where voters are picked.

Kennedy is left wing but will end this one-upmanship of extremism. There are some other third party candidates also who you might want to consider...

Ron, Trump, Weekend at Bernie's (AKA Biden), is the path towards a civil war...

ANY candidate who will actively fight this insane extremism would be ideal. It doesn't have to be Kennedy but he has a good shot since likely Biden will die or be incompetent soon.

[Leo Gura]

16 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

Dem party is psychotic

Nothing of the sort is true.

Gender transitioning is well supported by medical science and research in helping with mental health outcomes.

If anything is psychotic it's the right-wing's obsession with this extremely marginal trans stuff.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

16 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

ANY candidate who will actively fight this insane extremism would be ideal. It doesn't have to be Kennedy but he has a good shot since likely Biden will die or be incompetent soon.

The only extremist thing about Biden or his replacement is their extreme moderateness.

If you think Biden is fueling extremism, I got a clue for ya: You're the extremist.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Jodistrict]

Robert Kennedy, Jr is teaching a new politics.   He speaks the truth regardless of the consequences in a world use to manipulation, spin and good optics.  People are sick of the fakeness and ready for transformation.   When asked about issues, he gives complete answers revealing the complexity and showing the other side’s view.  When the reporter tries to goad him into attacking someone, he refuses and sticks to the issue.  His highest values are truth and the public interest.

The below video is a good discussion of Robert Kennedy, Jr. , psychedelics, spirituality, transformation, unwinding militarism, love and forgiveness.  
 

 

[Hatfort]

I don't think he has any chance of succeeding with those conspiratorial ideas, which is for the better. But it's a pity he hasn't developed a more on-Earth and also progressist mindset, because with that, and his surname, he could have rocked it and pushed things for the better.

[VoidJumper]

 

This is an amazing conversation.

In this clip RFK Jr. clearly lays out what exactly the problems are and in what ways the system has become corrupt, captured, or is simply not serving its stated purpose for whatever reason. I don't see how fixing these things could possibly be a bad thing or "result in the deaths of tens of millions of people" as Leo says.

[Recursoinominado]

3 hours ago, VoidJumper said:

 

This is an amazing conversation.

In this clip RFK Jr. clearly lays out what exactly the problems are and in what ways the system has become corrupt, captured, or is simply not serving its stated purpose for whatever reason. I don't see how fixing these things could possibly be a bad thing or "result in the deaths of tens of millions of people" as Leo says.

I didn't watched the video but i can raise two points:

1. Talking about problems isn't the same as knowing how to solve them.

2. Somethings are dealbreakers. With his anti-vaxxer stance, how many children would die in 4~8 years? How many familys would be devastated by easily prevented diseases? With a possibility of a new global pandemic, how bad would he handle that? How much suffering he would cause by his delusions?

[VoidJumper]

32 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

2. Somethings are dealbreakers. With his anti-vaxxer stance, how many children would die in 4~8 years? How many familys would be devastated by easily prevented diseases? With a possibility of a new global pandemic, how bad would he handle that? How much suffering he would cause by his delusions?

He would hardly ban vaccines by executive order. He has shown multiple times that he is very open to being proven wrong. He would simply inspire a more honest conversation and inquiry about these things so that the truth may come out. If he is wrong about vaccines and they really are the end all be all, you guys have nothing to fear.

[Recursoinominado]

7 minutes ago, VoidJumper said:

He would hardly ban vaccines by executive order.

The problem isn't only banning vaccines. His example alone can lead to massive opposition to vaccines, as was with Trump and this can lead to thousands of deaths. He certainly would delay the vaccine productions to appeal to his random standards, this leads to deaths. And so on...

9 minutes ago, VoidJumper said:

He has shown multiple times that he is very open to being proven wrong.

No he hasn't. He specifically set his own impossible standards and try to appear like just "someone who wants safe vaccines" but vaccines are already safe and no amount of massive data can prove that to him.

10 minutes ago, VoidJumper said:

He would simply inspire a more honest conversation and inquiry about these things so that the truth may come out.

The "conversation" is already open, all the data is available to experts around the world to judge.

No amount of "conversation" will be enough to a negationist. 

12 minutes ago, VoidJumper said:

If he is wrong about vaccines and they really are the end all be all, you guys have nothing to fear.

It is already the case, for decades, but he isn't slightly satisfied. 

[Recursoinominado]

The Brazil was an example of vaccination to the world.

Vaccines were widely accepted for decades without any problems.

Until we got an anti-vaxxer president, then COVID happened.

He made everything he could to demotivate people from taking the vaccines.

He delayed the purchase of vaccines on purpose.

The Pfizer tried to make Brazil the example of vaccination to the world, tried to sell to us before everyone else.

The government didn't even responded to Pfizer emails.

When the pressure was big enough and the supreme court made the government buy vaccines, the damage has been done.

It is estimated that AT LEAST 100.000 deaths could be avoided.

The result was that the total vaccination was way lower than any other vaccine in our history.

All other vaccines are now rejected by a large number people, which never happened before.

The amount of suffering this idiot caused is impossible to quantify.

[destroyx6]

On 7/2/2023 at 1:19 PM, Jodistrict said:

Robert Kennedy, Jr is teaching a new politics.   He speaks the truth regardless of the consequences in a world use to manipulation, spin and good optics.  People are sick of the fakeness and ready for transformation.   When asked about issues, he gives complete answers revealing the complexity and showing the other side’s view.  When the reporter tries to goad him into attacking someone, he refuses and sticks to the issue.  His highest values are truth and the public interest.

The below video is a good discussion of Robert Kennedy, Jr. , psychedelics, spirituality, transformation, unwinding militarism, love and forgiveness.  
 

 

 This was a good video, thought some of Charles takes were interesting.  

[Jodistrict]

Here is a link to RFK Jr Podcasts where you can get up to date analysis of what is actually happening in the world and why we need change.

https://open.spotify.com/show/30DqNXrHLKzz4xzmoty6xf

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/rfkjr/episodes/Jeffrey-Sachs-On-China-e25gjp1

 

The below provide background on the perpetual war industry in America and how it provoked war in Ukraine and is provoking war in China and why it needs to be contained by a strong president:

“Violence in France and the Ukraine with Col Douglas Macgregor”

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4f3V4TVjR2IFhktcOLTUKE

“Jeffry Sachs on China” 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4UulS9qPvT8x1joFkExUFi

 

[Israfil]

On 03/07/2023 at 10:09 AM, VoidJumper said:

He would simply inspire a more honest conversation and inquiry about these things so that the truth may come out. If he is wrong about vaccines and they really are the end all be all, you guys have nothing to fear.

There are some nasty diseases that are nearly eradicated thanks to vaccines. Tuberculosis, leprosy, mumps, measles, rubella, polio...

All of these ruin the lives of people, especially children. I hope for the better of people that the anti-vax sentiment doesn't spread. I don't want to live in a world where a 10-year-old child becomes infertile because their parents don't understand basic biology.