What is the opposite of love?

[Moksha]

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

There is one exception to this, if you're abiding in total detachment from life. It's called i-don't-give-a-fuck-about-anything samadhi in sanskrit language. But it's rare. Very rare. Only beings like Ramana Maharshi can be where you neither like anyone, nor dislike anyone. Just pure space, pure vaccum of void, with total diregard emotionaly to the phenomenal existence.

You already know this, but just to clarify, Ramana Maharshi was deeply engaged in teaching others about their absolute nature. He maintained an ashram and taught tens of thousands of people during his lifetime.

He didn't like or dislike anyone, because he saw that we are all the same absolute love.

[Salvijus]

@Moksha that's cool but the question was "what about the situation where someone doesn't feel neither love nor hate nor any other emotion for that matter?" And the answer remains the same, it's only in some sort of emptiness/zen samadhi that someone can be with total detachment and zero emotional involvment with the environment, just like space. That's the only exception i can think of. I don't know why would you bring Ramana's ability to be compassionate here. Seems out of context a bit.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Salvijus

[Moksha]

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

that's cool but the question was "what about the situation where someone doesn't feel neither love nor hate nor any other emotion for that matter?"

Feeling the human emotion of love is a drop in the ocean of being love.

[Moksha]

35 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Also apparently he didn't say anything at first. People asked why and he said because there wasn't anything to say. Of course they tell themselves some bullshit about how the silence was his teaching, but we don’t have to buy that, do we... 

Actually, it's true. He knew silence was the purest language, but it took him a while to realize that most of his students weren't mature enough for silence. He had to dumb it down into words for the masses.

[Moksha]

1 hour ago, Squeekytoy said:

You can believe what you want about him. 

I don't believe anything about him. I've read his words, and they deeply resonate with what I have directly realized. Other than that, the story of his avatar means little to me.

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I don't believe anything about him. I've read his words, and they deeply resonate with what I have directly realized. Other than that, the story of his avatar means little to me.

Realizing that the gura is you is key.

[Moksha]

2 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

How convenient. 

Convenient that truth is truth, regardless of the transmitter?

[Moksha]

13 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

That you bring him up but then go evasive when it suits you. 

I mentioned that he taught tens of thousands of people. Feel free to fact check it. Regardless of who or how he taught, the relevant question is whether what he taught deepens your realization of the absolute. The guru and its teachings are both maps, not the territory.

[Yimpa]

“Facts don’t care about your feelings” -BS

[Salvijus]

8 hours ago, Moksha said:

Feeling the human emotion of love is a drop in the ocean of being love.

I'm trying really hard, but i still don't see what this has to do with the question ? 

Are you trying to say God's love has no likes and dislikes? That's true. I agree on that. God's love is indeed unconditional and has no preferances. But it's still out of context to the question and it doesn't change the answer given earlier.

Seems like some unrelated emotions got struck when i used ramana as an example for a i-don't-give-a-fuck-about-anything samadhi. Maybe if I had used a different being as an example,  everything would've been fine ? 

Ramana is a good example tho. I'm sure he was capable of compassion and love but he truly was famous for his infinite bottomless shiva silence. There's zero emotion in that vacuum of emptiness absorbtion.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Salvijus

[Yimpa]

One might say that this is the opposite of love. Although, ironically, I do love this song. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

@Moksha  

Ramana Maharshi also said things like a cow achieved enlightenment through her mother, who also came out of the wheel of reincarnations when she died.

[OldManCorcoran]

On 28/04/2023 at 6:35 AM, Salvijus said:

@StarStruck ? you got me there. 

I would guess there's still some subtle judgement going on. Like "these people are weird but who cares they don’t bother me" or "not my type of people to hang out with" so it's a subtle rejection of them. And rejection like judgement are both children of fear.  Your real emotions about kkk would show up much clearer with you faced them face to face also.

Now i could try to give an explanation of why judgement and rejection are born out of fear but StarStruck is really going to be offended again by my bs "buddhists" ideas lol

A short explanation would sound like this, if you don't consider someone your friend, in some way you alienated and push them aside from yourself. It comes from self-protection, cautiousness, doubt, suspiciousness, judgement etc. all of which are forms of fear.

So there are only two possible emotions, either you include everyone as a part of yourselve with Love, or you reject them and push them aside which comes from fear. And fear has many forms. Love also has more then one form probably. You're either inclusive with your emotion or exclusive. There is no other option.

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Btw, being inclusive doesn't mean you approve their behavior if it's a behavior which stems from ignorance. It means you don't condemn them and you still regard them as worthy of love. There's a lot of misunderstandings that happen on this front. If someone is going to be that one, it is really going to give me "my gosh...." moment 

Like this "oh my gosh..."

What about not loving My Little Pony? There is judgement, but the show doesn't threaten us in any way.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, OldManCorcoran said:

What about not loving My Little Pony? There is judgement, but the show doesn't threaten us in any way.

My little pony is not the most relatable example. Anime is a better one. There're people who don't watch anime because it's simply boring for them and doesn't satisfy their needs but have no judgement over it. And there are people who think watching anime will make them look weak in front of others. There are people who need to look tough and cool, and watching anime is cosidered being a loser and that threatens their status, it threatens their identity. Fear again, fear of being labeled as immature, weak or whatever.

But it depends on the context. Each case is different. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

reality is absolute and infinite, and by the fact of being infinite it is all that is possible to be. therefore it is conscious, omnipotent and omniscient. God.

God separates in two to love itself in a dance, reality in eternal movement. Separation is a means to deepen love in the bottomless well that reality is, but at the price of being isolated from itself, separated.

this separation creates a feeling of lack. beings are never complete, they have a cycle of life and death, ying and yang. For a being to exist, another must die. in the case of humans, it is even more complicated because they are a hive entity with a collective mind that evolves driven by lack. the lack of love is his hallmark.

[Moksha]

11 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I'm trying really hard, but i still don't see what this has to do with the question ? 

I'm saying that absolute love is infinitely beyond what humans think of as love. It's not this conditional emotion that people feel when they meet someone that happens to align with their desire blockages, without hitting their aversion blockages. A triangle peg in a triangle hole is still conditional, and will eventually encounter resistance as the blockages shift as they must. Human love is still suffering because it is inevitably transient.

It's incorrect to assume that enlightened beings are apathetic. To the contrary, they see the sameness of themselves in every form, and desire to relieve the unnecessary suffering of themselves in apparent others. They love unconditionally, and naturally improve the quality of the experience for the expression of the absolute within the dream.

 

 

[Moksha]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ramana Maharshi also said things like a cow achieved enlightenment through her mother, who also came out of the wheel of reincarnations when she died.

Why do people continue bringing up Ramana Maharshi? I'm not a bhakti devotee that worships gurus, whether its him or anyone else. I couldn't give a fuck about who it is, what I care about is whether there is luminosity that resonates, regardless of the transmitter. If I see the absolute in cow shit, it is still luminous.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Moksha

[Moksha]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

this separation creates a feeling of lack. beings are never complete,

When you awaken within the dream, the apparent separation almost entirely dissolves. It's like flying a kite at 1,000 feet.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Why do people continue bringing about Ramana Maharshi? I'm not a bhakti devotee that worships gurus, whether its him or anyone else. I couldn't give a fuck about who it is, what I care about is whether there is luminosity that resonates, regardless of the transmitter. If I see the absolute in cow shit, it is still luminous.

Because someone can be very bright and at the same time be wrong and say things that lead people to the wrong paths with no way out. people tend to idealize gurus for what they transmitting rather than for what they say, and that is dangerous. there are very skilled people capable of transmitting and empathizing.

[Moksha]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

people tend to idealize gurus for what they transmitting rather than for what they say, and that is dangerous. there are very skilled people capable of transmitting and empathizing.

Not only can so-called gurus be bright, they can also be deluded or disingenuous. The only guru that can be trusted is the guru within.