Question for Leo: Do you claim you are imagining me?

[davecraw]

I want everyone else's answers too.

I feel the more I've thought about your perspective the less I understand it. Can you please clarify whether you think you are imagining me.

[WeCome1]

[davecraw]

28 minutes ago, WeCome1 said:

AI generated?

[Jowblob]

On a higher level evryone is a reflection of you, on even a higher level you're nothing more then an imagination with others, on even a higher level you don't exist, there is only one

[davecraw]

2 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

On a higher level evryone is a reflection of you, on even a higher level you're nothing more then an imagination with others, on even a higher level you don't exist, there is only one

How do I ask this if I don't exist?

[Holykael]

17 minutes ago, davecraw said:

How do I ask this if I don't exist?

you're an automatic piece of text on a forum, you have no further existence than that

[davecraw]

4 minutes ago, Holykael said:

you're an automatic piece of text on a forum, you have no further existence than that

I really can't tell if you're joking or not.

[Kksd74628]

@davecraw

There has happened disconnection in teaching. The actual message is that you're imagining everyone else.

[davecraw]

1 minute ago, Kksd74628 said:

@davecraw

There has happened disconnection in teaching. The actual message is that you're imagining everyone else.

Do you think you are imagining yourself?

[Kksd74628]

@davecraw

In your dream you created everything the same realization goes to this "real life".

[davecraw]

6 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@davecraw

In your dream you created everything the same realization goes to this "real life".

Do you think you type this post?

[Kksd74628]

@davecraw

If this moment would happen in your "nightly dream" would you ask if lucid characters in the dream type something to the post. They could say whatever, but only you would know it for yourself that you created everything. This is so simple that it feels stupid to even talk about. Pause for a moment, RIGHT NOW. Ask from yourself that why do I keep believing that other people are real. If you believe I am real you could just go sleep and believe the 7 eyed moster that you imagined is real too.

[Kksd74628]

@davecraw

But go do more meditation, psychedelics and other spiritual practises because it seems that you can't take in the insight I am sharing.

With love -joNi-

[davecraw]

4 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@davecraw

If this moment would happen in your "nightly dream" would you ask if lucid characters in the dream type something to the post. They could say whatever, but only you would know it for yourself that you created everything. This is so simple that it feels stupid to even talk about. Pause for a moment, RIGHT NOW. Ask from yourself that why do I keep believing that other people are real. If you believe I am real you could just go sleep and believe the 7 eyed moster that you imagined is real too.

If I am the source of your post then that means you are the source of mine. So the thing is I know whether I type this post out or not. Do you? And if you won't answer my question then why?

[Kksd74628]

@davecraw

You don't just get it yet, sorry. Everything worth saying has been said already. I would be repeating myself. There's only your experience. Everything else is you imagining there to be something else around it and even that imagination happens withing your experience. Pause and let this insight sink in.

[davecraw]

3 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@davecraw

You don't just get it yet, sorry. Everything worth saying has been said already. I would be repeating myself. There's only your experience. Everything else is you imagining there to be something else around it and even that imagination happens withing your experience. Pause and let this insight sink in.

To be clear I'm not even disagreeing with you. I just want to know if you (the same as me according to you) think that you type my post or not. Can you explain why you won't answer this? Your answer matters because it reveals to me whether you know what I know or not.

[davecraw]

@Kksd74628 I had chatgpt analyze our conversation. It asked me to ask you this:

"If we are to assume that our perception of reality is purely subjective and that we are essentially imagining the existence of other people and things, how do you explain the shared experiences and agreements we have with others in our daily lives? How do you reconcile this idea with the concept of objective reality?"

[Kksd74628]

@davecraw

8 minutes ago, davecraw said:

I just want to know if you (the same as me according to you) think that you type my post or not.

So right now you are trying to ask your imagination if that is conscious of creating you. Does that make any sense? Even calculator won't give you answer to 0 divided by 0, because the question doesn't make any sense.

[davecraw]

7 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@davecraw

So right now you are trying to ask your imagination if that is conscious of creating you. Does that make any sense? Even calculator won't give you answer to 0 divided by 0, because the question doesn't make any sense.

Do you think that I am imagining myself, or is myself beyond my imagination? What do you mean by imagine?

[WeCome1]

4 hours ago, davecraw said:

AI generated?

God forbid!

On a more serious note, though - I recommend this video, it's really one of the best verbal pointers to what you are asking about:

That pseudo-solipsistic talk about "who's real and who imagined whom first" is really misleading. However:

3 hours ago, davecraw said:

How do I ask this if I don't exist?

That's the thing - you don't ask, but it sure looks that way. But not in the sense that "I deny that you ARE HAVING the subjective experience of you asking". Rather, one might say, that "I deny that THERE IS A YOU who is having the subjective experience of asking". It's not about LEO imagining or not imagining you - it's about YOU imagining that there is "someone home" inside your skull having this subjective experience of asking something on the forum. And by "YOU" ("the Big You") we, of course, mean the absolute non-dual consciousness, of which both your and mine and Leo's illusory "bubbles of first-person POV perceptions" are made of. It's imagining all of us. Even more precisely, there is somewhere within its infinite potential, forms that appear to look like our subjective lives. Or something

Edited April 23, 2023 by WeCome1