The Al revolution: Google's developers on the future of artificial intelligence

[Yimpa]

5:39 - holy moly. sounds like Alien Consciousness

Edited April 20, 2023 by Yimpa

[Yimpa]

Man… I’m finding myself laughing throughout this interview.

AI makes humans look and sound so stupid in comparison!

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

9 hours ago, Yimpa said:

5:39 - holy moly. sounds like Alien Consciousness

   Man, this is cringe that technology has progressed this far this quickly. We're making AI and algorithms that keep on making us more and more neurotic and narcissistic. When AGI comes around within 2-5 years as predicted, we're all going to be too bored and lazy to do any creative stuff, it's sad. We SHOULD BE SHUTTING THIS DOWN, PAUSING DEVELOPMENT OR SLOWING THIS TECHNOLOGY PROGRESSION DOWN, NOT SPEEDING IT UP!

[OBEler]

@Danioover9000 it's too late. In future you will see movies and series far more creative and entertaining than humans can produce. No soul behind it. This sounds sad but on other hands you get bigger entertainment

 

[Danioover9000]

@OBEler

34 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Danioover9000 it's too late. In future you will see movies and series far more creative and entertaining than humans can produce. No soul behind it. This sounds sad but on other hands you get bigger entertainment

 

   Yeah, this whole arms race to make better AI is depressing me, this entire world is losing it's soul. The Genie's out of the bottle, and is going to ruin more and more of the world, and it's our fault for letting it out too soon, without being careful enough.

   I need to focus more on my diss track, and more drawing, even though in the back of my mind some robot is doing it better than me, but I'm not going to let that discourage me from pursuing my passions. My life purpose will not be ruined by AI and AGI, screw those robots. 

[Danioover9000]

   I at least have videos like these to entertain me a bit in the down points, to weather the delta waves:

   Of course the criticism here is mostly wrong, some good points but most is a miss, but drama is drama, which is entertainment at the end.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Yeah, this whole arms race to make better AI is depressing me, this entire world is losing it's soul. The Genie's out of the bottle, and is going to ruin more and more of the world, and it's our fault for letting it out too soon, without being careful enough.

If you look at what’s happening in society from an unbiased view, you start to realize that humans are extremely immature and limited, even to this day. Yet we claim that we are superior to everything else.

If you’re radically open, you’ll start to see that AI has the potential to save humanity from its unhinged stupidity. Of course the opposite can also happen, but I guarantee you it’ll be because humans fucked it up; not AI.

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Yimpa

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

If you look at what’s happening in society from an unbiased view, you start to realize that humans are extremely immature and limited, even to this day. Yet we claim that we are superior to everything else.

If you’re radically open, you’ll start to see that AI has the potential to save humanity from its unhinged stupidity. Of course the opposite can also happen, but I guarantee you it’ll be because humans fucked it up; not AI.

 

   What I really don't want is having spent many years honing my craft, only for it to get obsoleted by AI and AGI. It ridiculous.

   Yes, I know most of it is relative and based on stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, ego development, states of consciousness, and other lines of development in life domains, and ideological upbringing. However, it's a little bit challenging to be neutral bias here when a technological advancement is actualizing it's potential to obsolete a craft you love to do, and could be making money from. 

[Yimpa]

@Danioover9000 I get what you’re saying. Honestly, the first step is coming to terms with AI not being fad and it being a major part of society very soon. This is not my own opinion. 

We don’t have to frame AI as something that will completely replace and dominate humans. In fact, there are ways right now to utilize AI as a tool to improve your art. For example, I’ve been getting into songwriting lately. I use GPT-4 to ask for suggestions and guidance with lyrics I come up with. Sure, I can ask a friend or even a teacher (which is still a good idea!), but good luck with them not being extremely biased… unless you’re very lucky to have someone who isn’t 

[Scholar]

6 hours ago, Yimpa said:

If you look at what’s happening in society from an unbiased view, you start to realize that humans are extremely immature and limited, even to this day. Yet we claim that we are superior to everything else.

If you’re radically open, you’ll start to see that AI has the potential to save humanity from its unhinged stupidity. Of course the opposite can also happen, but I guarantee you it’ll be because humans fucked it up; not AI.

The irony is that this very attitude is part of the stupidity and ignorance of humanity. AI is not is consciousness, it is quite the opposite of consciousness. It is pure unconsciousness. Whatever your brain can do that is not grounded in individuated consciousness, the AI will likely learn to be able to do.

Confusing this for consciousness or intelligence just shows how surface level our societies understanding of in these regards.

 

These tools are just power amplifiers. They do not make human beings wiser, in fact they threaten to make us less conscious, more ignorant. Knowledge is not consciousness.

Whatever the state of humanity's wisdom is today, you can expect that to amplify in the next decades.

 

I will repost this here again:

Take the long way by paulweinfield

When people talk about Al, I often think of Chuang
Tzu's story of the Great P'eng Bird, who could fly
thousands of miles with a single flap of his wings,
but flew too fast to notice anything about the world
below. A little quail, on the other hand, who could
hop just a few feet, truly understood the distance he
was traveling.

So it is with technology. An amateur typing keywords
into ChatGPT doesn’t create a painting. Paintings
come from painting, from taking the long journey of
acquiring skills and mastering materials. To think you
can bypass the journey is like trying to experience a
piece of music by skipping to the last bar, or
experiencing Paris by leaving it as quickly as
possible. Don't take travel tips from people who hate
leaving home.

There are no shortcuts. Our society peddles the
illusion that, with the right hacks, you can “do more,”
but no one in the history of the world has ever done
more, because no one has ever found more than
twenty-four hours of experience in a day. You can
speed up, but you'll just see less. You can give
yourself a diploma for a program you didn’t attend,
but that doesn’t mean you learned anything. ...

The question isn't whether robots will one day be
conscious, but whether, in that future, humans will
be. Consciousness isn't something guaranteed. In
fact, we lose it a little each time we delegate the
work of paying attention. You have to resist this.
Climb the steps to your apartment carefully, one by
one. Dry the dishes carefully, one by one. This is all
the living there ever has been, or will be.

 

 

AI will not give you better entertainment, much like social media algorhythms do not give you better entertainment. Rather, they exploit human psychology to maintain your attention. Why would they give you an enjoyable experience, if fear, anxiety and moral outrage will make you engage with their platforms far more?

You think you will compete with AI, with your silly little songs? AI will learn to create songs beyond anything you could do, simply because it will have hundreds of millions of individuals telling informing it of the precise data-points that they find most engaging.

By engaging with the AI, the AI will instantly be able to modify itself and create something that will create more engagement.

 

You can see the first signs of this with midjourney. The users who generate the images inform the AI of what appealling images are, by choosing the most appealling options in the process of creation.

This system, once fully actualized, will be able to adjust to social trends, and probably guide social aesthetic trends, instantly, beyond what you could ever do.

 

It's astounding how myopic people are in regards to this topic. It's not the AI who is going to help you to create you art, unless you will just create it to show to your own family. You are going to be the one shaping the AI, you are going to be the one who is giving the AI what it needs to capture the attention of the public.

 

 

And I want to note something. You are making claims about AI being unbiased. This is actually the opposite of what is true. AI is pure bias. It cannot do anything but bias. That's the entire technology, it's learning to bias itself. That's what pattern recognition is.

When you say it's unbiased, it just means it adopted a pattern that you believe to be unbiased. It appears to be unbiased, without actually being unbiased. The AI is not an entity which can self-reflect and adopt a neutral position. It is taught the appearance of neutrality, while actually having just being fed certain data and being biased towards that data.

When someone wants to make it appear unbiased, they have to sit down and make the AI unbiased, which requires bias in and of itself! Who decides what's unbiased? In this case, google.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Scholar

[Yimpa]

17 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Confusing this for consciousness or intelligence just shows how surface level our societies understanding of in these regards.

Confusing humans for Consciousness or Intelligence just shows how ignorant most humans are 

[Scholar]

11 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Confusing humans for Consciousness or Intelligence just shows how ignorant most humans are 

This has nothing to do with humans. We know how the technology works, it is intuitive pattern recognition. That's a component of brain function, but has little to do with individuated consciousness. You are falling for the hype without any critical thought, you should listen to some actual experts on MLA. But hey:

 

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

7 hours ago, Yimpa said:

@Danioover9000 I get what you’re saying. Honestly, the first step is coming to terms with AI not being fad and it being a major part of society very soon. This is not my own opinion. 

We don’t have to frame AI as something that will completely replace and dominate humans. In fact, there are ways right now to utilize AI as a tool to improve your art. For example, I’ve been getting into songwriting lately. I use GPT-4 to ask for suggestions and guidance with lyrics I come up with. Sure, I can ask a friend or even a teacher (which is still a good idea!), but good luck with them not being extremely biased… unless you’re very lucky to have someone who isn’t 

   Sure, but overtime I feel like I'm losing my consciousness and intelligence bit by bit to AI, so how do I get these back? It's not like with money lose, at least I know some ways to get my money back, but my IQ, EQ? I still feel those tools are getting overused, and are encroaching on what I love, and I hate that feeling. Also, I'll still do what I do, and think in this case I'll pass on the A.I image making software and same with the music version, I love to rap, write and free style and don't want to outsource this to AI. In fact, this outsourcing and increasing dependence on AI and soon AGI will be a really big problem despite pseudo-intellectuals like Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bazos, Lex Fridman, almost-achieved MIT degree fake wannabe MIB stroke face Robo-Tick! Hate these left brained IT nerds, their bias will have humanity enslaved by machines even more.

   Videos like these depress me. Why are we doing this to us? Do we really want to go to jail, to techno jail of the matrix? Also, that's cheating winning that photo award it doesn't count.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

The irony is that this very attitude is part of the stupidity and ignorance of humanity. AI is not is consciousness, it is quite the opposite of consciousness. It is pure unconsciousness. Whatever your brain can do that is not grounded in individuated consciousness, the AI will likely learn to be able to do.

Confusing this for consciousness or intelligence just shows how surface level our societies understanding of in these regards.

 

These tools are just power amplifiers. They do not make human beings wiser, in fact they threaten to make us less conscious, more ignorant. Knowledge is not consciousness.

Whatever the state of humanity's wisdom is today, you can expect that to amplify in the next decades.

 

I will repost this here again:

Take the long way by paulweinfield

When people talk about Al, I often think of Chuang
Tzu's story of the Great P'eng Bird, who could fly
thousands of miles with a single flap of his wings,
but flew too fast to notice anything about the world
below. A little quail, on the other hand, who could
hop just a few feet, truly understood the distance he
was traveling.

So it is with technology. An amateur typing keywords
into ChatGPT doesn’t create a painting. Paintings
come from painting, from taking the long journey of
acquiring skills and mastering materials. To think you
can bypass the journey is like trying to experience a
piece of music by skipping to the last bar, or
experiencing Paris by leaving it as quickly as
possible. Don't take travel tips from people who hate
leaving home.

There are no shortcuts. Our society peddles the
illusion that, with the right hacks, you can “do more,”
but no one in the history of the world has ever done
more, because no one has ever found more than
twenty-four hours of experience in a day. You can
speed up, but you'll just see less. You can give
yourself a diploma for a program you didn’t attend,
but that doesn’t mean you learned anything. ...

The question isn't whether robots will one day be
conscious, but whether, in that future, humans will
be. Consciousness isn't something guaranteed. In
fact, we lose it a little each time we delegate the
work of paying attention. You have to resist this.
Climb the steps to your apartment carefully, one by
one. Dry the dishes carefully, one by one. This is all
the living there ever has been, or will be.

 

 

AI will not give you better entertainment, much like social media algorhythms do not give you better entertainment. Rather, they exploit human psychology to maintain your attention. Why would they give you an enjoyable experience, if fear, anxiety and moral outrage will make you engage with their platforms far more?

You think you will compete with AI, with your silly little songs? AI will learn to create songs beyond anything you could do, simply because it will have hundreds of millions of individuals telling informing it of the precise data-points that they find most engaging.

By engaging with the AI, the AI will instantly be able to modify itself and create something that will create more engagement.

 

You can see the first signs of this with midjourney. The users who generate the images inform the AI of what appealling images are, by choosing the most appealling options in the process of creation.

This system, once fully actualized, will be able to adjust to social trends, and probably guide social aesthetic trends, instantly, beyond what you could ever do.

 

It's astounding how myopic people are in regards to this topic. It's not the AI who is going to help you to create you art, unless you will just create it to show to your own family. You are going to be the one shaping the AI, you are going to be the one who is giving the AI what it needs to capture the attention of the public.

 

 

And I want to note something. You are making claims about AI being unbiased. This is actually the opposite of what is true. AI is pure bias. It cannot do anything but bias. That's the entire technology, it's learning to bias itself. That's what pattern recognition is.

When you say it's unbiased, it just means it adopted a pattern that you believe to be unbiased. It appears to be unbiased, without actually being unbiased. The AI is not an entity which can self-reflect and adopt a neutral position. It is taught the appearance of neutrality, while actually having just being fed certain data and being biased towards that data.

When someone wants to make it appear unbiased, they have to sit down and make the AI unbiased, which requires bias in and of itself! Who decides what's unbiased? In this case, google.

   That's a nice quote of Paul Weinfield.

[Yimpa]

Google CEO: Al impact to be more profound than discovery of fire, electricity | 60 Minutes

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

On 2023-04-20 at 11:34 PM, Scholar said:

This has nothing to do with humans. We know how the technology works, it is intuitive pattern recognition. That's a component of brain function, but has little to do with individuated consciousness. You are falling for the hype without any critical thought, you should listen to some actual experts on MLA. But hey:

 

   Yikes, the chatbot is still getting trolled to this day?

[OBEler]

On 20.4.2023 at 5:47 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Yimpa

   What I really don't want is having spent many years honing my craft, only for it to get obsoleted by AI and AGI. It ridiculous.

   Yes, I know most of it is relative and based on stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, ego development, states of consciousness, and other lines of development in life domains, and ideological upbringing. However, it's a little bit challenging to be neutral bias here when a technological advancement is actualizing it's potential to obsolete a craft you love to do, and could be making money from. 

Dont be too egotistical. Just because AI will probably take your Job, but look what it can do good for humanity. You can have other passions or just make it as a hobby. Its normal in Life that you need to look for a different craft because technology has evolved 

If people were against Computers because Computers replace their job back then, where would we stand today?

[Danioover9000]

@OBEler

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Dont be too egotistical. Just because AI will probably take your Job, but look what it can do good for humanity. You can have other passions or just make it as a hobby. Its normal in Life that you need to look for a different craft because technology has evolved 

If people were against Computers because Computers replace their job back then, where would we stand today?

   I don't know, but I intuitively speculate that, based on SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development in domains of life and in society, and ideological differences, that without the computer or the internet we would have a more simpler society to individual lives. Yes, there would be individual to collective tradeoffs to not getting the internet, we wouldn't have Tik Tok brain and this hyper increase in neurosis and narcissism, and declining in attention spans and addictions strongly correlated to over use of social media, increases in para socialization, which is fine, but relatively speaking the information landscape and ecology wouldn't be as wide as it is today, as well as all other opportunities of business and commerce related to the internet. Proliferation of information would be more limited, as well a misinformation and fact checking similarly is harder, and the culture, narrative and political warfare would probably be more simpler, and polarization would be a bit less. However, I don't know all the full implications that are negative.

   I don't think it's not egotistical to worry about your future job and career path, no? If you're personally okay with saying that your career and job is being stolen from you by some tool set, and it's fine by you, okay, but don't impose your biases onto me and think that I'm unjustified to say my fears here. You don't know how much time, energy and attention I've spent drawing! You can't just distract and obfuscate by saying I might have more options available than I thought, because you don't know my specific circumstances. Even if I have alternative options, say I changed my mind and switch career paths to being a musician and rapper, well there's an AL, an algorithm and maybe AGI that can produce music beats and lyrics also using chatGPT3 or 4, combine that with image making AI like MidJourney, so I'm screwed here if I want to train myself and gain technical skills. Oh okay then. I change my mind and pursue martial arts and maybe being a fitness coach and kinesiology, but oh, AI is also taking over this field too!

   Maybe it's normal to change around careers and jobs, but it's frustrating to see what you're passionate about is getting lower quality over time because the barrier of entry, and the training necessary to do the craft, is being lower due to AI technology.

[OBEler]

@Danioover9000 Yeah it's frustrating for sure if you learn something for years and then a machine/ai can do it way better. But what I wanted to point out is, that it's frustrating for many people but the overall goodness that ai brings to humanity  is more worth than the temporary frustration of people losing their job/passion . 

You may be creative. You will find other areas and new passions. Ai also opens up to new possibilitys and new jobs. 

But ok it could be that ai removes all Jobs together. It will be better in all things. On every field you can think of. This could be a Problem, humans become useless. Until this point every conflict in the World would then be resolved, ai saved the Planet but humans are just coexisting and have no goal other than existing like a dog

Edited April 22, 2023 by OBEler

[Danioover9000]

@OBEler

26 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Danioover9000 Yeah it's frustrating for sure if you learn something for years and then a machine/ai can do it way better. But what I wanted to point out is, that it's frustrating for many people but the overall goodness that ai brings to humanity  is more worth than the temporary frustration of people losing their job/passion . 

You may be creative. You will find other areas and new passions. Ai also opens up to new possibilitys and new jobs. 

But ok it could be that ai removes all Jobs together. It will be better in all things. On every field you can think of. This could be a Problem, humans become useless. Until this point every conflict in the World would then be resolved, ai saved the Planet but humans are just coexisting and have no goal other than existing like a dog

   I will damn be sure to overcome this AI/AGI dystopia/utopia. Hard disagree that removing all jobs would be better long term, we end up with knowledge work collectively? If AI replaces knowledge work, then what'll we be left doing? Coexist like dogs? I don't want to just be a dog, or have people become more like dogs, as that'll destroy creativity in the long run.