XI JINPING(Chinas’s Leader) Speech

[actuallyenlightened]

 

32 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

Everything I've written is credible even if it doesn't conform to the ideology Westerners are indoctrinated with

Asserting that China has never invaded another country is certainly misinformation. You also said that China doesn't suffer from crime and gang activity; that is also false. I suppose you can technically argue that China is a stable place to raise a family so I won't call that misinformation but I do certainly consider that to be misleading, personally.

45 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

I put a lot of effort into understanding things from other points of view. Almost all of my free time is spent reading books or talking to people from different cultures around the world.

You certainly haven't demonstrated this as you've said nothing that is critical of the CCP but found countless criticisms of the US and the 'West'. You even made a positive statement on covid-zero but failed to make any critical statement such as people's rights being taken away and the loss of life. You criticized the US for "anti-democratically asserting its own superiority" on the world stage, yet you support the Chinese government, which doesn't even provide democratic freedoms to its own people. It is absolutely absurd how you even bring up the word 'democracy' in a positive light while supporting one of the least democratic countries on the planet. 

I'll finish here by saying that it is quite rich of you to go to a Western site to praise a system that doesn't even allow you to criticize the regime with harsh penalties such a jail time, and decry intolerance; while at the same time vehemently condemning that Western country because you know that you can get away with it due to free speech.

50 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

I will allow the moderators to decide whether my contributions are evidence based or whether they are violations.

Whether or not the mods ban you, the reason why I'm bringing this up in the first place is because I think it's important for members of this forum to be aware of bad actors like yourself and think critically as there is a lot of state sponsored propaganda going around social media these  days.

[Jwayne]

17 minutes ago, actuallyenlightened said:

Asserting that China has never invaded another country is certainly misinformation. You also said that China doesn't suffer from crime and gang activity; that is also false. I suppose you can technically argue that China is a stable place to raise a family so I won't call that misinformation but I do certainly consider that to be misleading, personally.

You certainly haven't demonstrated this as you've said nothing that is critical of the CCP but found countless criticisms of the US and the 'West'. You even made a positive statement on covid-zero but failed to make any critical statement such as people's rights being taken away and the loss of life. You criticized the US for "anti-democratically asserting its own superiority" on the world stage, yet you support the Chinese government, which doesn't even provide democratic freedoms to its own people. It is absolutely absurd how you even bring up the word 'democracy' in a positive light while supporting one of the least democratic countries on the planet. 

I'll finish here by saying that it is quite rich of you to go to a Western site to praise a system that doesn't even allow you to criticize the regime with harsh penalties such a jail time, and decry intolerance; while at the same time vehemently condemning that Western country because you know that you can get away with it due to free speech.

Whether or not the mods ban you, the reason why I'm bringing this up in the first place is because I think it's important for members of this forum to be aware of bad actors like yourself and think critically as there is a lot of state sponsored propaganda going around social media these  days.

Let'a agree that China has hasn't any military conflict or interventionism in 50 years.

China is a very stable place to raise a family. It has a very strong sense of community, exceptionally low crime (e.g. no gun violence) and cultural values remain strong despite the erosive power of capitalism which tends towards commodification of tradition. China has been successful in retaining its heritage in recent decades.

The COVID policy has been a massive success in terms of loss of life compared to non-East Asian countries.

China doesn't have the same protections for freedom of speech as the USA does. In fact, virtually no other country has those protections. The USA, on-paper, is unique in that regard.

China is moreso a meritocracy than a democracy. However, it does have democratic elements at different levels of its political system. But for the most part, representatives attain their position due to qualification, such as civil service examination and years of service.

Is this better than an electoral college democracy in the Citizens United vs FEC era where campaign spending is protected as freedom of speech, thus allowing public office to be effectively bought and sold? For the Chinese, they consider their system to be better FOR THEMSELVES. They would never tell anyone else how to run their own countries.

Accusing me of being a 'bad actor' (whatever that means) is quite insulting and presumptuous.

Edited April 22, 2023 by Jwayne

[Jodistrict]

13 hours ago, actuallyenlightened said:

I'm not talking about justifications, just about whether that prior statement was factual. An invasion of a 'feudal society' due to 'asserting its claim to territory' is an invasion nonetheless. Also, why is half of your reply about the US, they have many other specifically focused topics on this forum.

In the case of Vietnam, you do realize that this was after they overthrew the Khmer Rouge (who are responsible for the Cambodian genocide). You aren't making the CCP sound like the good guys for attacking Vietnam in 'retaliation' for this. 

I mentioned the US to show the contrast.  China realized it screwed up invading Vietnam and was out in 1 month.  In contrast, the US stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years.   

[Danioover9000]

@Jwayne

13 hours ago, Jwayne said:

Let'a agree that China has hasn't any military conflict or interventionism in 50 years.

China is a very stable place to raise a family. It has a very strong sense of community, exceptionally low crime (e.g. no gun violence) and cultural values remain strong despite the erosive power of capitalism which tends towards commodification of tradition. China has been successful in retaining its heritage in recent decades.

The COVID policy has been a massive success in terms of loss of life compared to non-East Asian countries.

China doesn't have the same protections for freedom of speech as the USA does. In fact, virtually no other country has those protections. The USA, on-paper, is unique in that regard.

China is moreso a meritocracy than a democracy. However, it does have democratic elements at different levels of its political system. But for the most part, representatives attain their position due to qualification, such as civil service examination and years of service.

Is this better than an electoral college democracy in the Citizens United vs FEC era where campaign spending is protected as freedom of speech, thus allowing public office to be effectively bought and sold? For the Chinese, they consider their system to be better FOR THEMSELVES. They would never tell anyone else how to run their own countries.

Accusing me of being a 'bad actor' (whatever that means) is quite insulting and presumptuous.

   Sorry you're getting accused of being a bad faith actor for China, but you just seem to be really like an apologist for communism. Like, how can you not see how bad faith you appear to the other side?

[Jwayne]

4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Jwayne

   Sorry you're getting accused of being a bad faith actor for China, but you just seem to be really like an apologist for communism. Like, how can you not see how bad faith you appear to the other side?

I have so far mentioned the objective economic accomplishments of the CCP, which are monumental. Like lifting hundreds of millions of human beings out of poverty in record-time. These accomplishments are things to be celebrated. And there are dozens of such achievements.

These have been accomplished due to iterating upon a Marxist theory of economics. You won't understand how that economics work if you don't study it. Nonetheless, there is an ongoing case study of its success in China.

So does recognizing measures that end starvation, illiteracy and disease make me 'an apologist for Communism'? Would it be better for China to remain a desperately poor, semi-feudal and semi-colonial society with a poverty level that looks like Bangladesh?

No society is perfect. Anywhere you look in the world there are crimes against humanity. China has them too.

But, we are doing a disfavor by not studying things that work. Like outright rejecting socialist economic development on an ideological basis. There is a lot that could be learned by studying the errors, flaws and successes of the Chinese model. It makes no sense to dismiss it entirely.

Its some kind of wicked Yellow Peril McCarthyism to go censoring people on the internet who are writing positively about things in non-Western countries.

[actuallyenlightened]

1 hour ago, Jwayne said:

I have so far mentioned the objective economic accomplishments of the CCP, which are monumental. Like lifting hundreds of millions of human beings out of poverty in record-time. These accomplishments are things to be celebrated. And there are dozens of such achievements.

These have been accomplished due to iterating upon a Marxist theory of economics. You won't understand how that economics work if you don't study it. Nonetheless, there is an ongoing case study of its success in China.

So does recognizing measures that end starvation, illiteracy and disease make me 'an apologist for Communism'? Would it be better for China to remain a desperately poor, semi-feudal and semi-colonial society with a poverty level that looks like Bangladesh?

No society is perfect. Anywhere you look in the world there are crimes against humanity. China has them too.

But, we are doing a disfavor by not studying things that work. Like outright rejecting socialist economic development on an ideological basis. There is a lot that could be learned by studying the errors, flaws and successes of the Chinese model. It makes no sense to dismiss it entirely.

Its some kind of wicked Yellow Peril McCarthyism to go censoring people on the internet who are writing positively about things in non-Western countries.

... according to Mr. Global Times.

[Jwayne]

3 hours ago, actuallyenlightened said:

... according to Mr. Global Times.

Can we agree that reducing poverty and building schools are good things?

[Danioover9000]

@Jwayne

10 hours ago, Jwayne said:

I have so far mentioned the objective economic accomplishments of the CCP, which are monumental. Like lifting hundreds of millions of human beings out of poverty in record-time. These accomplishments are things to be celebrated. And there are dozens of such achievements.

These have been accomplished due to iterating upon a Marxist theory of economics. You won't understand how that economics work if you don't study it. Nonetheless, there is an ongoing case study of its success in China.

So does recognizing measures that end starvation, illiteracy and disease make me 'an apologist for Communism'? Would it be better for China to remain a desperately poor, semi-feudal and semi-colonial society with a poverty level that looks like Bangladesh?

No society is perfect. Anywhere you look in the world there are crimes against humanity. China has them too.

But, we are doing a disfavor by not studying things that work. Like outright rejecting socialist economic development on an ideological basis. There is a lot that could be learned by studying the errors, flaws and successes of the Chinese model. It makes no sense to dismiss it entirely.

Its some kind of wicked Yellow Peril McCarthyism to go censoring people on the internet who are writing positively about things in non-Western countries.

   Alright then.

   How often do you go to China, or Taiwan? Do you do martial arts?

[Jwayne]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Jwayne

   Alright then.

   How often do you go to China, or Taiwan? Do you do martial arts?

What does martial arts have to do with eliminating povery or socialist development?

I anticipate people are going to begin listing all of the crimes against humanity that the CCP has been involved in. My point isn't whether illiberal One Party Meritocracy or liberal Multi-Party Democracy is better. My position is each society must decide for themselves and solve their own problems.

Rather my point is about the success of the Chinese economic model which is basically a non-ideological matter. All the markers of economic growth are measurable.

And my further point would be that to understand a foreign culture one would ideally learn its language and history, become personally familiar ith its people and land, and try to understand it on its own terms. Because that is so difficult to do, we are obligated towards a kind of restraint of opinion. Just as I don't presume to speak about Ghana because its a foreign culture to me.

[Danioover9000]

@Jwayne

2 hours ago, Jwayne said:

What does martial arts have to do with eliminating povery or socialist development?

I anticipate people are going to begin listing all of the crimes against humanity that the CCP has been involved in. My point isn't whether illiberal One Party Meritocracy or liberal Multi-Party Democracy is better. My position is each society must decide for themselves and solve their own problems.

Rather my point is about the success of the Chinese economic model which is basically a non-ideological matter. All the markers of economic growth are measurable.

And my further point would be that to understand a foreign culture one would ideally learn its language and history, become personally familiar ith its people and land, and try to understand it on its own terms. Because that is so difficult to do, we are obligated towards a kind of restraint of opinion. Just as I don't presume to speak about Ghana because its a foreign culture to me.

   Because it's fun to do martial arts and travel a bit, so do you do martial arts, and have traveled to China and Taiwan?

[Jwayne]

9 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Jwayne

   Because it's fun to do martial arts and travel a bit, so do you do martial arts, and have traveled to China and Taiwan?

I've spent years in China

[Jodistrict]

What we really have to worry about is a nuclear war between the US and China.  The fact that the US corporate media has decided to demonize China and the government is contemplating sanctions is not a good sign.

According to Harvard professor Graham Allison, in 12 of the 16 cases in which a rising power emerged in the past 500 years, the result was war. He argues that this is because the established power sees the rising power as a threat to its position and is willing to go to war to maintain its dominance. The rising power, meanwhile, may feel it has no choice but to challenge the established power to achieve its own security and status.

https://www.unz.com/runz/did-the-neocons-save-the-world-from-the-thucydides-trap/

 

[Danioover9000]

@Jwayne

11 hours ago, Jwayne said:

I've spent years in China

   That's great, do you do martial arts? What style? What food do you like and any places you suggest for tourists to go and basic traveler advice?

[Jwayne]

On 4/24/2023 at 8:33 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Jwayne

   That's great, do you do martial arts? What style? What food do you like and any places you suggest for tourists to go and basic traveler advice?

There is a large and difficult language barrier. I suggest having a local friend connection to show you around otherwise you are restricted to formal tourist activities.

I love most of the food. But not things like duck blood, chicken feet or octopus/squid.

I don't train martial arts. But you can find old people doing Tai Chi outside everywhere, and lots of children learn Tae Kwon Do. Many gyms have boxing. You can find anything you like in a big city.