XI JINPING(Chinas’s Leader) Speech

[Jodistrict]

23 minutes ago, Enigma777 said:

You’re just showing me how uninformed you are about China and the CCP. If the U.S are orange(Capitalist) on the SP model, China is Red(authoritarian). 

 

You are uncritically believing Western Propaganda, and the Western corporate media which is beating the war drums again, this time for China.   Beware of any Westerner who thinks he understands China.  

[Enigma777]

28 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

You are uncritically believing Western Propaganda, and the Western corporate media which is beating the war drums again, this time for China.   Beware of any Westerner who thinks he understands China.  

Okay, let’s critically look at this issue then:

1-People posting videos on social media of themselves talking against the CCP have mysteriously disappeared and there is many account of this. How is suppressing your political opponents by kidnapping them not low consciousness?

2-Protests against radical COVID measures(physically forcing people to remain indoors) have been violently suppressed. Again, high consciousness.

3-The CCP itself considers fundamental human rights that are the basis of western civilization to be a threat to their system of oppression. Freedom of speech, privacy and religion being a threat is supposed to be high consciousness? 

4-Building a port in Sri Lanka knowing the country is too poor to pay the debt and binging them into a 99 years contract where you have monopoly of the operations going on there is high consciousness? Or low consciousness plotting to increase your power?

And what about Canadian officials receiving money from China? If it is not an attempt to infiltrate the Canadian government what is it? Charity?

So you can pull the argument that the pool information we are living in is so corrupt and filthy that there is no way to achieve a rational conclusion which is in alignement with the actuality of how things are but how valuable is that argument when there has been solid investigative journalism and even Chinese people themselves coming out on social media and alerting the world about the state of their country. You can be aware of the deception and propaganda going on without dismissing basic facts. What is known is known. Of course the CCP doesn’t see themselves as selfish villains and millions upon millions of Chinese are actually supporting their current government(partly due to propaganda) but truly, how conscious is their system considering all known facts? Everything about what is actually known about them points to selfish low conscious behavior. Without taking into consideration XI’s plans to extend his ideology and political system all over the world. Also, media companies not aligned with the U.S agenda have spoken out against China. Of course the CCP think they are doing the best thing but God does not agree?

Edited April 20, 2023 by Enigma777

[actuallyenlightened]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

So, why can't China's Congress, courts, law enforcement, or military put a check to his power?

Trump failed to take over the country and overturn the 2020 election like a dictator because of the checks and balances we have in America.

They could have in 2011. But Xi's been smart about it and didn't do anything too drastic to get the party to oust him; gradually weeding out all opposition (ie anti-corruption) and putting his buddies in the top positions in congress and the military. In China especially, it's about who you know, who would support you (same in the US but less), and the levers you could pull to destroy your opponents. There's definitely pros and cons to consolidating power in this way... 

[Jwayne]

The CCP has lifted 800 million people out of poverty in the last several decades. That's a monumental achievement. They have given generations of people opportunities for their children to follow their dreams and to lead lives of dignity. China considers itself 'moderately prosperous'. But if you were to ever visit there I am sure you be would astonished at the high standard of living.

Mainland Chinese people are mostly very happy because China doesn't have the domestic problems of other countries: no crime, no gun violence, no drug abuse, no homelessness, no gang activity, and so forth. The cities are exceptionally clean with no litter anywhere. The parks are plentiful even in urban areas. They are manicured and green.

It's a very stable place to raise a family. And its a very high trust society and the people share the same values as one another. It has a real sense of community.

Chinese people just like to take care of their children and live ordinary lives. They have their own civilizational identity with their own history, language, culture and philosophy. Chinese scholars are very well-read about the West, but you cannot say vice-versa.

China has its own terms of thinking based on divergent histories, and they don't share Western idolization of Plato, the Bible and the American Constitution. And that's fine. They have thousands of years of their own culture. And that's their prerogative.

Chinese scholarship is very explicit about how capitalist elements have been intentionally introduced into their political economy. It's called 'the primary stage of socialism' and it began around 1956.

You should read Chinese scholarship if you want to understand China.

[Danioover9000]

@Jwayne

22 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

The CCP has lifted 800 million people out of poverty in the last several decades. That's a monumental achievement. They have given generations of people opportunities for their children to follow their dreams and to lead lives of dignity. China considers itself 'moderately prosperous'. But if you were to ever visit there I am sure you be would astonished at the high standard of living.

Mainland Chinese people are mostly very happy because China doesn't have the domestic problems of other countries: no crime, no gun violence, no drug abuse, no homelessness, no gang activity, and so forth. The cities are exceptionally clean with no litter anywhere. The parks are plentiful even in urban areas. They are manicured and green.

It's a very stable place to raise a family. And its a very high trust society and the people share the same values as one another. It has a real sense of community.

Chinese people just like to take care of their children and live ordinary lives. They have their own civilizational identity with their own history, language, culture and philosophy. Chinese scholars are very well-read about the West, but you cannot say vice-versa.

China has its own terms of thinking based on divergent histories, and they don't share Western idolization of Plato, the Bible and the American Constitution. And that's fine. They have thousands of years of their own culture. And that's their prerogative.

Chinese scholarship is very explicit about how capitalist elements have been intentionally introduced into their political economy. It's called 'the primary stage of socialism' and it began around 1956.

You should read Chinese scholarship if you want to understand China.

   China also has chopsticks, Dim Sam, Wonton soups and spring rolls, also fortune cookies. Most martial arts originate there as well. As long as I'm getting my Chinese takeaway and Dim Sam it's fine, just don't give me social credit scores, and burry me in debt, and cameras following me constantly, it's annoying.

   Also, Taiwan is best China, to this day most modern Chinese drama they sometimes film in Taiwan.

[actuallyenlightened]

59 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

You should read Chinese scholarship if you want to understand China.

Question for you @Jwayne. Do you believe than Taiwan is an integral part of China and that the Xinjiang genocide is just western propaganda?

Edited April 20, 2023 by actuallyenlightened

[Jwayne]

3 hours ago, actuallyenlightened said:

Question for you @Jwayne. Do you believe than Taiwan is an integral part of China and that the Xinjiang genocide is just western propaganda?

It doesn't matter what I - or any random person - think.

I can tell you that the PRC considers Taiwan to be integral part of China. The English translation is One Country, Two Systems.

The USA, on the other hand, considers Taiwan to be an essential component of the First Island Chain containment strategy against PRC influence.

It has nothing to do with the democratic aspirations of the Taiwanese people.

Just as invading Iraq had nothing to do with the democratic aspirations of the Iraqi people.

And just as USA support for Saudi Arabian slaughter of Yemeni people has nothing to do with the aspirations of Arabic people.

The United States foreign policy was summed up by Henry Kissinger when he said, "America has no permanent friends or enemies. Only national interests."

Taiwan and Ukraine are not Washington's friends. They are chess pieces (e.g. pawns) on a violent geopolitical map that represents the 'national interest' of the United States, which means maintaining its hegemonic monopoly on violence and the supremacy of USD.

As for Xinjiang, just look at the official observations that have been made by third-party organizations like the UN.

Some of the facts in the journalism will certainly be true, but it is spectacularly sensationalized by the Western press with the term 'genocide' - which is an unforgiveable insult to all victims of real genocide, such as in Rwanda.

Anybody in China can visit the region. You could even get a tourist visa now that the epidemic is over and see for yourself.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Jwayne

[Jwayne]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Jwayne

   China also has chopsticks, Dim Sam, Wonton soups and spring rolls, also fortune cookies. Most martial arts originate there as well. As long as I'm getting my Chinese takeaway and Dim Sam it's fine, just don't give me social credit scores, and burry me in debt, and cameras following me constantly, it's annoying.

   Also, Taiwan is best China, to this day most modern Chinese drama they sometimes film in Taiwan.

China doesn't have fortune cookies.

You must mean Chinatown, USA.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Jwayne

[puporing]

if your consciousness isn't too high you'll do okay or even "well" in a country like China. but good luck if you want to grow your consciousness away from the herd, nevermind teaching anything the CCP doesn't approve of or endorse. that alone is a good indicator for what level of consciousness it's operating at. things could be changing but it's def lagging behind by a long shot if you want to be an individual or pursue Truth.

Edited April 20, 2023 by puporing

[Cireeric]

What is the source of this?

[Jwayne]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

if your consciousness isn't too high you'll do okay or even "well" in a country like China. but good luck if you want to grow your consciousness away from the herd, nevermind teaching anything the CCP doesn't approve of or endorse. that alone is a good indicator for what level of consciousness it's operating at. things could be changing but it's def lagging behind by a long shot if you want to be an individual or pursue Truth.

Truth isn't only entering deep psychadelic trance. It's also feeding people, building hospitals and teaching foundational literacy skills.

To even have funding for philosophers, you need a sufficient level of economic development, which means enough production. 

Western Europe chose imperialist colonialism, slavery and genocide in order to get a comparative edge over its competition. Other nations, like China, have never pursued those ways. In fact, the CCP was partially founded as a reaction to feudalism and imperialism.

So when you say China is "lagging behind", you need to consider history. China was being plundered by European powers for over a century.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Jwayne

[puporing]

26 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

psychadelic trance

that's an assumption.

26 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

It's also feeding people, building hospitals and teaching foundational literacy skills.

which is why I said if your consciousness isn't too high (aka survival-based), China is not a bad place to be.

26 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

To even have funding for philosophers, you need a sufficient level of economic development, which means enough production. 

they're way past that point. there's more than enough development, more than enough technology like the internet. you do not need full-time philosophers necessarily for communication, you simply need a means of communication. the means of communication is mostly blocked/tightly controlled. 

26 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

So when you say China is "lagging behind", you need to consider history. China was being plundered by European powers for over a century.

of course they're just on a different timeline, I just mean to say the current level of consciousness is not sufficient (eg, dangerous and/or not nurturing) for personal development/serious philosophical work if you happen to live there right this moment. things can always change and will. 

Edited April 20, 2023 by puporing

[Israfil]

4 hours ago, puporing said:

I just mean to say the current level of consciousness is not sufficient (eg, dangerous and/or not nurturing) for personal development/serious philosophical work if you happen to live there right this moment. things can always change and will. 

That is an assumption. As said, Chinese scholars are well-versed in both western and eastern authors. They have as much, or maybe even more, epistemic and metaphysical foundation to do serious consciousness work.

Self-actualizing is influenced by, but not restricted to some cultures. I would even argue that it is easier to reach systems thinking if you have the orange theoretical background allied with the constant collective concern. In terms of international politics, the multi-perspectival element of finding alternatives to the western hegemonic forces also recognizes the values and cultures of other parts of the world, without giving up Chinese culture.

China knows how dependent its economy and livelihood are on the rest of the world. No single country is self-sufficient today, and their recent political move is to bring together the countries that feed this planet but are relinquished to a position of the colony, by the still-prevalent imperialist mindset the west has. The first reaction the US had when Brazil said that wouldn't trade in dollars is that the US would take "necessary measures" to protect the reserve currency status of the dollar. Don't confuse being the largest bully in the world with being the most conscious. 

[Israfil]

13 hours ago, Enigma777 said:

Okay, let’s critically look at this issue then:

1-People posting videos on social media of themselves talking against the CCP have mysteriously disappeared and there is many account of this. How is suppressing your political opponents by kidnapping them not low consciousness?

2-Protests against radical COVID measures(physically forcing people to remain indoors) have been violently suppressed. Again, high consciousness.

3-The CCP itself considers fundamental human rights that are the basis of western civilization to be a threat to their system of oppression. Freedom of speech, privacy and religion being a threat is supposed to be high consciousness? 

4-Building a port in Sri Lanka knowing the country is too poor to pay the debt and binging them into a 99 years contract where you have monopoly of the operations going on there is high consciousness? Or low consciousness plotting to increase your power?

And what about Canadian officials receiving money from China? If it is not an attempt to infiltrate the Canadian government what is it? Charity?

So you can pull the argument that the pool information we are living in is so corrupt and filthy that there is no way to achieve a rational conclusion which is in alignement with the actuality of how things are but how valuable is that argument when there has been solid investigative journalism and even Chinese people themselves coming out on social media and alerting the world about the state of their country. You can be aware of the deception and propaganda going on without dismissing basic facts. What is known is known. Of course the CCP doesn’t see themselves as selfish villains and millions upon millions of Chinese are actually supporting their current government(partly due to propaganda) but truly, how conscious is their system considering all known facts? Everything about what is actually known about them points to selfish low conscious behavior. Without taking into consideration XI’s plans to extend his ideology and political system all over the world. Also, media companies not aligned with the U.S agenda have spoken out against China. Of course the CCP think they are doing the best thing but God does not agree?

If that's the standard for defining a country as stage red, the US is the reddest country in the world.

[Israfil]

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Jwayne

8 hours ago, Jwayne said:

China doesn't have fortune cookies.

You must mean Chinatown, USA.

   China has Chinese astrology, and animal zodiac system for fortune telling. Definitely at least where the fortune cookie idea came from.

[actuallyenlightened]

Classic Chinse propaganda..

9 hours ago, Jwayne said:

It doesn't matter what I - or any random person - think.

Starting by getting permission to spread propaganda.

9 hours ago, Jwayne said:

It has nothing to do with the democratic aspirations of the Taiwanese people.

Just as invading Iraq had nothing to do with the democratic aspirations of the Iraqi people.

And just as USA support for Saudi Arabian slaughter of Yemeni people has nothing to do with the aspirations of Arabic people.

Whataboutism + select anti-American strong words.

9 hours ago, Jwayne said:

The United States foreign policy was summed up by Henry Kissinger when he said, "America has no permanent friends or enemies. Only national interests."

Cherry-picking and omission of critical details. Kissinger worked for the Nixon administration and this was said during a speech in the early 70s .

Also - making an individual represent the entire country

9 hours ago, Jwayne said:

Taiwan and Ukraine are not Washington's friends. They are chess pieces (e.g. pawns) on a violent geopolitical map that represents the 'national interest' of the United States, which means maintaining its hegemonic monopoly on violence and the supremacy of USD.

Chinese rhetoric summed up in a sentence. 

9 hours ago, Jwayne said:

Some of the facts in the journalism will certainly be true, but it is spectacularly sensationalized by the Western press with the term 'genocide' - which is an unforgiveable insult to all victims of real genocide, such as in Rwanda.

Genocide denial. For everyone else reading this thread - here's a police leak containing the names of tens of thousands of detainees and their crimes:  https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/

9 hours ago, Jwayne said:

Anybody in China can visit the region. You could even get a tourist visa now that the epidemic is over and see for yourself.

This is also another point made by tankies and propagandists which is not true. If you visit Xinjiang as a foreigner, you will be trailed by a random dude(s) and will be pushed away if you tried to visit a camp (you can find them with satellite images) 

[Enigma777]

3 hours ago, Israfil said:

If that's the standard for defining a country as stage red, the US is the reddest country in the world.

What are you talking about? If an American citizen posts a video of himself critiquing the U.S government he won’t have to fear law enforcement knocking at his door the next morning, a Chinese citizen would. The Chinese people who are not in agreement with the current political state of their country have to constantly live in fear(low consciousness?) and be careful of not saying anything that would get to the ears of the authorities. From what I know, activists(especially the radical left) are more than free to rally together and scream their miscontent(often unjustified) in the streets of any American state. XI Jinping would crush any manifestation or opposition to him and his ideology.

So of course the American government is selfish and corrupt but if you measure it using SP it’s nothing compared to the CCP. You don’t seem to understand what is truly happening; if you were a Chinese citizen and dared to speak against the Lords of the CCP you’d more than likely disappear in 24 hours, do you understand that? The ignorance of the threat that China truly is is what is going to enable them to maybe have their way with the rest of the world; and implying that the political system in place in America is of equal consciousness to that of China speaks nothing but ignorance tbh. In america everybody is free to believe what they want as long as they do not pose a real threat to the established order. The muslims in China have been put in literal concentration camps because their ideology was considered a threat to the order that the CCP has put in place. Destroying those who diverge from you from an ideological standpoint because diversity itself poses a threat to your absolute control is nothing but paranoid and tyrannical oppression which is extremely unevolved. The devil creates distinctions, identifies himself with a fragmented part of reality and destroys that which he deems different because of a fear for its survival. This is the epitome of unconsciousness according to universal law. I don’t understand how people who are supposed to be students of Consciousness and the mind can’t wrap their heads around this. It feels like talking to normies. Using all those complex words yet still having a very poor grasp of consciousness and universal principles which even Leo warned about. 

people who can’t see the devil are the reason why the devil even gets a chance to control this world. If even individuals in these type of communities can’t even see better than the masses were is this world heading to? Catch up. 

[Enigma777]

Oh yeah and what about the social credit score system which doesn’t make you obey to some set of objective moral laws(would be impossible as morality is relative) or even spiritual universal laws no; but which is a tool to further coerce you into obeying the behaviors that the CCP has chosen for you. What is going on in China is a complete dissolution of the individual for the broader vision of the CCP. Individuals are crushed and expected to be empty vessels carrying the vision of their masters and nothing else. XI Jinping wants to make out of China an undivided perfect unity which is a representation of his own ideology. So their communism is of course hypocrisy because individuals doesn’t sacrifice themselves for any sort of objective greater good of the community no, they sacrifice themselves for the vision that the CCP has imposed over China, which means that the only individual that has any right to his personal ideology(and his billions) is XI Jinping himself, which makes the political system of China nothing but authoritarian capitalism. 

It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to self actualize fully in such circumstances so @purporing was right.

[Enigma777]

3 hours ago, Israfil said:

 

 

So what? The U.S are responsible for the current situation because the old officials refused to shake Mao’s hand? The old government did what they had to do, which was protecting america which is rooted in freedom and humans rights from the communist(truly authoritarian capitalism) threat of China. A peace treaty with China would’ve only made it easier for the CCP to ideologically invade and corrupt America.