Dangers of psychedelics to the brain chemistry

[pablo_aka_god]

Just curious are there any known health problems that magic mushrooms or LSD could cause to the brain chemistry if taken too often? For example causing imbalances in the serotonin system, etc.

Assuming the brain is already healthy when taking them and doesn't have preexistent health issues. it's already known that for people with certain conditions it can be dangerous.

Edited April 16, 2023 by pablo_aka_god

[Yimpa]

Nobody honestly really knows. Limited research.

Then again, you have to ask yourself “Do drugs with a ton of research have no dangers?”

Be responsible; listen to yourself. If you have major doubts, then most likely you’re not ready to take psychedelics.

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, pablo_aka_god said:

Assuming the brain is already healthy when taking them and doesn't have preexistent health issues

Lol. You’d be surprised all the issues most people’s brains have that science hasn’t even discovered yet 

[bmcnicho]

Physiologically, psychedelics are very safe compared to almost anything.  The main data we have is that people who went hardcore with psychedelics in the 1960s seem to be mostly fine now.  The same doesn’t necessarily apply to newer research chemicals though, or to extreme levels of use.

I haven’t heard anything specifically relating to serotonin imbalance with psychedelics.  If anything, they might improve brain health in that respect, as some people with depression report significant improvement after as little as one experience.

In my view, potential psychological effects are the greater concern.  After about a dozen trips, I’ve already noticed that my sober mind has been altered slightly in certain ways.  Nothing drastic, but the thing is especially with high doses you can’t know what’s going to happen in advance, or how these experiences might change you.  Psychedelics have been shown to cause permanent changes in various brain structures.  Many of theses are positive, but it’s still important to keep in mind.

My attitude towards psychedelics has shifted a bit after a few intense experiences.  I now view taking these substances to be a bit more like high stakes gambling, although I do believe that the odds can definitely be in your favor if you approach things properly.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, bmcnicho said:

Nothing drastic, but the thing is especially with high doses you can’t know what’s going to happen in advance, or how these experiences might change you.  Psychedelics have been shown to cause permanent changes in various brain structures.  Many of theses are positive, but it’s still important to keep in mind.

I am experiencing more openness and love towards Myself.

Definitely has been a net positive in the long term.

[Grateful Dead]

There are now some people who have consumed LSD more than 1000 times and are absolutely healthy. Everyone is different but generally there is nothing to worry about.

[Yimpa]

Just now, acidgoofy said:

There are now some people who have consumed LSD more than 1000 times and are absolutely healthy. Everyone is different but generally there is nothing to worry about.

Jesus, that’s a lot of Ascensions!

[eggopm3]

more like improvements to brain chemistry amirite

[Yimpa]

On 4/17/2023 at 2:42 AM, eggopm3 said:

more like improvements to brain chemistry amirite

“Behind the Buzz: How Ketamine Changes the Depressed Patient’s Brain

The anesthetic-cum-party drug restores the ability to make connections among brain cells”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/behind-the-buzz-how-ketamine-changes-the-depressed-patients-brain/

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From the article: 

Ketamine’s main drawback is its side effects, which include out-of-body experiences, addiction and bladder problems.

That sentence is so ironic, because I experienced the opposite of said drawbacks. I loved having out-of-body experiences, I didn’t get addicted, and I thought I had a bladder problem prior to doing my first ketamine session (literally felt like I had to use the restroom 10+ times a day for a month), yet after my ketamine session that problem went away.

I’m not joking.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Yimpa

[M A J I]

As a shamanic practitioner I do not have scientific facts or research but I have directly experience and I have seen more than enough cases where people are very mentally, emotionally and energetically unbalanced and long lasting effects on brain and nervous system.

That's why there is food and there is medicine. Take too much garlic and it will ruin your health, mental acuity and gut flora.

And that's why medicines are to be used as medicines under proper guidelines of a doctor or shaman and not abuse or excessive use.

Now I personally have seen far more negative results with people taking "synthetic" substances compared to naturally growing substances.

The plant teachers that grow naturally upon the earth act as the "shamans" themselves and have fail-safe/measures for these things.

Unless you mix them with other substances or taking pharmaceutical medications or certain fermented food/s which can which could cause dangerous cross-interactions.

I found working with people who follow proper guidelines and stick to natures medicine, tend to heal and grow at a much higher rate than those who dabble with synthetics or both. There seems to be a cycle that is created and a lack of integration and energetic exhaustion of those.

Of course set and setting plays a huge role, not saying all synthetics are totally bad, with proper intention, set/setting and guidance and application, you can use them for growth, healing and expansion, but there is far higher success rate with natural medicines and less chance of abuse.

We found many in the synthetic range, especially ketamine and lsd seem to be caught up in a false/mental or astral enlightenment and have to continue to rely on the substance to remind/renlighten them and struggle to integrate or carry the experience forward, and with more and more use, the spiritual energy seems to be drained more and more. We found users and especially abusers of MDMA with extremely distorted brain functions, delusions and heart-chakra entanglement giving souls false-love experience which seems to rob the heart-energy and true happiness over time, leaving users very emotional and depressed.

These are my personal findings these last few years.

Edited April 20, 2023 by M A J I

[blackchair]

On 4/20/2023 at 0:32 PM, M A J I said:

As a shamanic practitioner I do not have scientific facts or research but I have directly experience and I have seen more than enough cases where people are very mentally, emotionally and energetically unbalanced and long lasting effects on brain and nervous system.

That's why there is food and there is medicine. Take too much garlic and it will ruin your health, mental acuity and gut flora.

And that's why medicines are to be used as medicines under proper guidelines of a doctor or shaman and not abuse or excessive use.

Now I personally have seen far more negative results with people taking "synthetic" substances compared to naturally growing substances.

The plant teachers that grow naturally upon the earth act as the "shamans" themselves and have fail-safe/measures for these things.

Unless you mix them with other substances or taking pharmaceutical medications or certain fermented food/s which can which could cause dangerous cross-interactions.

I found working with people who follow proper guidelines and stick to natures medicine, tend to heal and grow at a much higher rate than those who dabble with synthetics or both. There seems to be a cycle that is created and a lack of integration and energetic exhaustion of those.

Of course set and setting plays a huge role, not saying all synthetics are totally bad, with proper intention, set/setting and guidance and application, you can use them for growth, healing and expansion, but there is far higher success rate with natural medicines and less chance of abuse.

We found many in the synthetic range, especially ketamine and lsd seem to be caught up in a false/mental or astral enlightenment and have to continue to rely on the substance to remind/renlighten them and struggle to integrate or carry the experience forward, and with more and more use, the spiritual energy seems to be drained more and more. We found users and especially abusers of MDMA with extremely distorted brain functions, delusions and heart-chakra entanglement giving souls false-love experience which seems to rob the heart-energy and true happiness over time, leaving users very emotional and depressed.

These are my personal findings these last few years.

this is why I think Aya will be my first medicine! thank you!

[integral]

I think more dangerous then effects on the brain is effects on the gut, i have not noticed any long term issues using LSD but in the short term it shuts down my digestion during the trip, i think it prevents bowl movements. If i eat the wrong foods gas will build up causing major cramps and pain.

Edited April 23, 2023 by integral

[M A J I]

2 hours ago, integral said:

I think more dangerous then effects on the brain is effects on the gut, i have not noticed any long term issues using LSD but in the short term it shuts down my digestion during the trip, i think it prevents bowl movements. If i eat the wrong foods gas will build up causing major cramps and pain.

Yes this is normal on many psychedelic substances because this is usually how all 'medicine' should work. It shuts down the bodies ability to continue to put things in it that can interfere with the healing processes and experience. Fasting is the original healing of the body.

This is why many shamans suggest you to fast the day of tripping and or only consume light foods like fruit and sometimes to cut out all salts, sugars, meats, animal products and processed foods for sometimes weeks beforehand, because they will be "brought up" in the trip and the experience will be much more challenging for you before you can get to the deeper healing potential of the medicine, first it has to deal with what you put in on the surface layers before you can go to the deeper mental, emotional layers.

People are sick because of the foods they eat and are addicted too and the artificial lifestyles they live devoid of nature.

Many health experts today consider the gut the first brain. Gut health = brain health. I found fresh fruit or coconut water to be useful during trips. Anything else seems to be rejected by the body, teas are good too and some raw honey. You really don't need food until coming down.

Another thing to consider is, when you take substances that get you "high" that is really what is happening mechanically/ 'vibrationally' you are vibrating higher, the term "getting high" didn't just come out of thin air, and so your body will naturally not need or crave food in higher states of consciousness, Unless you have a lot of parasites in your gut. And as you come back down into the physical body/world, its more common to get hungry to ground the energy. There is a old saying, what controls the gut controls the mind.

Maybe the teacher is trying to push you to do a fast. The medicine cannot heal you, only you can by applying the teachings.

These are some of my observations and findings.

Edited April 24, 2023 by M A J I

[Jodistrict]

The enteric nervous system which regulates the gut uses 95 % of the body's serotonin.   So psychedelics which affect serotonin are going to affect the gut.

I stick to natural substances, since they are part of our evolution and more likely to be compatible with and easily metabolized by the body.   

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

I stick to natural substances, since they are part of our evolution and more likely to be compatible with and easily metabolized by the body.   

Are computers natural and part of our evolution?

[Breakingthewall]

@M A J I

What do you think about the use of 5meo dmt? I use it as an unblocker. not for information or stuff, I think that's completely wrong, but as something that completely breaks energetic blockages. then they form again, but with each stroke they are more fluid. I think that the free flow of all the energy channels that make up a person is the goal of spiritual work. understanding occurs spontaneously when there are no obstacles. but dependence on a substance is something that must be avoided a priori, although I don't know if it can have negative effects or not, for now I only see positive ones

[M A J I]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@M A J I

What do you think about the use of 5meo dmt? I use it as an unblocker. not for information or stuff, I think that's completely wrong, but as something that completely breaks energetic blockages. then they form again, but with each stroke they are more fluid. I think that the free flow of all the energy channels that make up a person is the goal of spiritual work. understanding occurs spontaneously when there are no obstacles. but dependence on a substance is something that must be avoided a priori, although I don't know if it can have negative effects or not, for now I only see positive ones

I don't have too much experience with personally but have seen similar side-effects with all of them, especially those who over-use/abuse.

If you find you are continuing to grow, expand and de-clutter from each experience then you are integrating well and eventually it will be clear when you no longer require the medicine or it no longer serves you. What I speak is for most people without any spiritual grounding or shamanic training or background, although experienced travelers that utilize medicines effectively may be able hold it together, I personally prefer the naturally occurring/growing medicines due to reasons I have stated above.

Its important to ground and connect to Source by meditation, nature or whatever means to be able to remain Aware and be able to 'discern' if its just a mind-crutch or actual healing and order occurring. 5-meo especially is a tricky one because its so powerful.

Eventually, as we become more 'efficient', less becomes more.

[OBEler]

@RebornConsciousness dude this quote need to be put into right context. Read again what he wrote and the message will be different. 

high stakes gambling only occurs with  high dosages. 

It's like you have never driven a car because you think it's too dangerous and now you hear some expert saying car driving is dangerous "If you drive TOO FAST " and you say "I knew it all the time, car driving is dangerous " 

Edited April 27, 2023 by OBEler

[Tanz]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:17 AM, Yimpa said:

Then again, you have to ask yourself “Do drugs with a ton of research have no dangers?”

 

No, they are not safe except the recent vax that was made for you know what, its the safest

[integral]

I cant even fart on LSD. There is a need but it doesn't come out. 

Edited April 27, 2023 by integral