Be Careful With Owen Cook

[koops]

21 minutes ago, flowboy said:

 

• But then I asked her: what do I do about this anger that is apparently repelling women according to her?
• And her answer was, and I quote: "I dunno, just do some meditation or something."

That'll be 300$ thank you.

Damn, that was bad.

 

I went to a Derek free tour a few years ago. Didn't like the guy, but I liked rsd, especially Tyler's old videos (2012-15), so why not go?

Holy shit, what an awful experience.

First we had to keep our phones out of the room.

I have no problem with that, nowadays people get distracted and can be better to not have your phone with you, but then I realized the main reason they do that is that you can't record and upload that shit show.

The free talk was around 1hour. NO-THING of value. Tyler rants are fine, I liked the old ones. But this... so bad. I remember nothing about it.

 

The he proceeded with a 2 hour pitch to a bootcamp. 

Old students in the audience start to talk about his transformations and how great it was.

He kept pitching aggressively and disrespectfully.

During this 2 hours people were signing in for it (I think it was 3000€ for 2-3 day bootcamp, mostly run by coaches).

More than 10 people sign in, so the coach-student ratio was not going to be very appealing and you won't be getting real value time with the main coach (Derek).

And in the end...

The new students, and all the previous students of him that were there get up on stage.

So there were like 40 people standing on stage, and like 7 of us still sitting. At that point I decide to just enjoy the shitshow. It became kind of funny lol

He told us to sit in the first row, and almost start to insult us haha

A couple guys started to justify themselves on why they were not taking the program.

After a few minutes talking down to us like we were 3rd class citizens and realizing he wasn't taking our money, he just 'let us go' with a high level of disrespect. Inside I was laughing.

I just was laughing inside. It was preposterous.

 

And the worst thing is 'who wants to be like that guy?'. Who wants to be coached but that guy?.

Watch some of his content on youtube.

If I were in a Julien or Max free tour, I could consider taking a hot seat, maybe even a bootcamp. They look cool, like guys you can emulate if you are young, at least in this seduction area; and friends of mine went to Max hotseat and say it was great, but this guy Derek... damn...

 

 

 

 

[something_else]

1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@flowboy Jesus! This Sarah definitely has some next-level sociopathic skills. 

I'm pretty sure that's the RSD tactic. Make you feel really insecure and bad about yourself and then present their course as the solution.

Tyler does this same thing on his YT channel.

You don't need these people to get better at dating.

Edited April 18, 2023 by something_else

[The0Self]

7 hours ago, flowboy said:

Have volunteers come up on stage and role-play with her as the girl, and challenge them to "pick them up". Then ignore and diss them in front of everyone, so they get really triggered and shamed (it was a rigged game - she wasn't going to let anyone pass that test)

Sounds utterly diabolical. Par for the course for RSD.

[StarStruck]

7 hours ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@StarStruck  Dude, your defense of Andrew Tate is comical. I didn't even bear watching one video of his. Defending his work is like drinking piss while saying piss is 99% water

I don’t defend him. But keep going with this rudeness and judgementalism and perhaps by the year 2050 you will able to get a girl if the stars align in your favor. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by StarStruck

[LSD-Rumi]

31 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

I don’t defend him.

Dude, 40% of your comments is you literally defending him 

31 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

But keep going with this rudeness and judgementalism and perhaps by the year 2050 you will able to get a girl if the stars align in your favor. 

I thought being rude is essential to getting girls as Andrew Tates teaches 

Beware, being so touchy and sensitive is a sign of weakness.

Edited April 18, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[StarStruck]

2 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

Dude, 40% of your comments is you literally defending him 

 

If I'm studying anarchists, studying them, doesn't mean I defend anarchists. It just means I'm studying them. Cheer leading and studying are two different things.

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I thought being rude is essential to getting girls as Andrew Tates teaches 

No hard feelings. But if what you are doing is working for you, you should keep doing what you are doing.

[LSD-Rumi]

@StarStruck I was just teasing you, no hard feelings. But I still do think (if my analysis based on your posts is true) that Tate is doing you more harm than good, but who knows? Maybe you are smart enough to find the needle in a pile of hay.

[StarStruck]

3 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@StarStruck I was just teasing you, no hard feelings. But I still do think (if my analysis based on your posts is true) that Tate is doing you more harm than good, but who knows? Maybe you are smart enough to find the needle in a pile of hay.

Time will tell but for now I’m more disciplined than ever, defeated all of my addictions, and I just picked up a 10 at the grocery store. There is still some personal stuff I have to fix but some stuff needs time. 

[Israfil]

52 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

I don’t defend him. But keep going with this rudeness and judgementalism and perhaps by the year 2050 you will able to get a girl if the stars align in your favor. 

Will you boast about having sex with his mother next? Pointing out that you're overly invested in Tateism is just the general impression of people in this forum. Your defensiveness is telling a different story than your words.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Israfil

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

He's not the one who has to con girls into sleeping with him. 

Owen has certainly manipulated girls into sleeping with him. Just not via sex trafficking.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Leo Gura

[lostingenosmaze]

On 4/14/2023 at 6:00 PM, Leo Gura said:

He's always been a heavy-handed marketer and the RSD products have never been a great value since the HotSeat days.

Funny coincidence, Owen just released a 50% discount on his HotSeat program ending in 36 hours. Don't know if this has already been available before. I suppose if you want to support this guy and enjoy his best products ethically, now would be the time:

https://www.ourbestprogramever.com

Is this actually worth the deal? Is he pulling the Endless Motivation stunt again where you think it's for a limited time but he restarts the timer?

Edited April 20, 2023 by lostingenosmaze

[Israfil]

8 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Is this actually worth the deal?

No.

8 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Is he pulling the Endless Motivation stunt again where you think it's for a limited time but he restarts the timer again?

Probably yes.

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Owen just released a 50% discount on his HotSeat program ending in 36 hours.

Lol. It's been that way for years.

HotSeat is a good program. At least the live HotSeat. Not sure if the online version is the same.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

Not worth it. Pass. 

[Optimized Life]

On 15/04/2023 at 7:33 AM, mmKay said:

What would you consider an ethical business model for a pickup coach? 

charge a justified price relative to the clients needs, situation and problems. You could have a system for inquiring about the client before suggesting your price to see what they can really afford. 

For poor or super young clients, Anywhere from $40 - $100 per hour for each client seems justified. 

And then, rice the price up for wealthier clients. 

If you're dealing with multi millionaire clients then you could charge the $400 per hour instead and it doesn't affect them. 

It's not high price tags that make me sick, but coaches clearly manipulating people who are actually poor and have like 5K or less in their bank account to go and pay 2K for coaching, there needs to be ethical responsibility for the type of client you're dealing with.

Self help industry in general does not take accountability for this problem. If you're young and poor then the 5K you have in your bank account can mean the world to you, be the difference between mental illness and being a bit optimistic, starting a business or buying that camera gear or doing that travelling you wanted to, it's the guys with 5K in their bank account that shouldn't even be allowed to buy certain self help products, there should be a physical barrier to them spending 1K as it's 20% of their net worth. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by Optimized Life

[Optimized Life]

1 minute ago, Squeekytoy said:

That's it right there. The self help industry mostly helps itself. If you want to get rich quick, just write a book about how to get rich quick.

One born every minute.

Not entirely true though, there's many good self help content online with helpful advice. 

Maybe you just mean specifically the "Industry", but if my uncle sat me down and gave me a wisdom chat for 20 minutes or spoke about his experiences I would consider that "self help", and it would probably benefit my mind. 

[mmKay]

On 15/4/2023 at 3:33 PM, mmKay said:

What would you consider an ethical business model for a pickup coach? 

@Leo Gura

[ValiantSalvatore]

It's a huge scam I would look if I could get the stuff for free and find wings that are non-toxic and just go out or just go out with friends and practice low-key. 

I bought the course, it's great, yet he does not have a database I would just get it somewhere for free Owen Cook is a huge scammer imo. He forces you basically to partake and leaves you alone. I would not buy any of this products again. I legit got scammed the first time online. Maybe live is fine, because you can go out. 

As far as I can tell all content is lost, as he takes down the wegpage? I was unable to join the stuff and it took me an endless effort to "honestly" get into any of the stuff. I would not feel guilty pirating some of his stuff, he deserves it sort of for the shameless grifting. 

I like him, yet I find his style of business is fundamentally that of an asshole. He could provide a database for the stuff, and pixel out all people, so you can see the stuff and raw game etc. So he does not hurt any privacy rights, I don't know ultimately in how much trouble you can get into with filming rights and privacy rights. Still it's a huge scam in a sense if I can't access the stuff 1 year later, and I have to rely on others having downloaded it and sharing it for free.

Would not buy a product from him that costs me more than 100€ live maybe is good, yet hotseat is a scam if you can't re-access it. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by ValiantSalvatore

[Roy]

On 4/14/2023 at 6:55 PM, Leo Gura said:

It cost $7k? Jesus.

Never spend that much on a self-help product. That's clearly a grift. I would never spend more than $1k on a digital self-help product.

There is a difference between being cheap vs just throwing money away.

Why would anyone spend ANY money on ANY product like this in todays day and age? With enough determination and some hours to spare you can piece together enough of the mountains of free information out there to learn basically anything you can imagine. Watching enough videos, spending time in communities, and reading will give you enough of a framework to understand what any person has to say behind some offensively overpriced course.

These kind of things are only serious transformative for 2/100 of the people that attend. People seriously have to ask themselves is it worth spending that much hard earned money on what is basically a lottery ticket and feeling buzzed for a weekend.

I guess hope is a good sell.

Edited April 24, 2023 by Roy

[ValiantSalvatore]

It would be a great ressource to have similar to the athlean x product I bought that I can re-visit over and over, yet he just takes everything down. I feel it's more worth getting the stuff for free and joining some sort of community there, and fitler out the toxicitiy and be a real agent. 

The point is the guy is extremely good at spotting trends, especially in the dating area. I got sucked into this abundance hype, because it was an emotion that is generated around the sametime each year, the content is very good, yet the none available re-accessibility of it makes it a pump and dump scheme. On actualized.org, athlean x etc. I can revisit the program everytime, and the stuff evolves, here you have some dirty gray area. I don't know how many lawyers this guy must have. I do like him, yet it's not easy to grow resentful, if he sells that much hope and makes re-accessabillity not possible. I would prefer other dating coaches and pua's that are smaller. 

They really scam most likely guys better than girls. The content is great, yet I would never ever again purchase one product from them for any possible money, because of re-accessibility. Finding a support structure for this is not easy with how toxic and lazy most of them most likely are. I still like him, yet I will not purchase anything from him that has costs me more than 100€. 

David DeAngelo took down his webpage after 20 years and made an offer to buy all content for cheap, this guy takes down websites each year. ROI? Questionable seriously. I would get it for free.

If you have a 100k salary and some time I would say f*** it, it's still not good business practice. Any gym has more integrity than RSD. You basically have to partake in this sprint from start to finish in the online programm, there is no safety net. He does also not care about this. If I break my leg, get diagonsed with smth. everything is lost. 

I asked a couple of times to get into the telegram group, still not in there etc. etc. Called the business in california etc. they were forthcoming. Still if you don't participate from start to finish, you'll loose access. It's basically a 1k bootcamp, IIRC the promise was you can re-access and train with it. 

It's not true, as far as I know I don't have the my id anymore to access this, yet when I found it and re-accessed it stuff just moved to different domains IIRC. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by ValiantSalvatore