The purpose of creation

[Yimpa]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But is the imagination always manifested as what we experience as "physical reality" (as well as our own private inner lives), or is God capable of thinking its own private thoughts that nobody else has access to?

All of it!

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

All of it!

Why do you think that?

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why do you think that?

I’ve experienced all kinds of altered states of consciousness. 

And I will continue to, of course.

Now, which one of the states of consciousness being expressed is GOD?

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

I’ve experienced all kinds of altered states of consciousness. 

And I will continue to, of course.

Now, which one of the states of consciousness being expressed is GOD?

Is your point that you have your own private thoughts, and that since God is creating those thoughts, why can't God have its own private thoughts?

[Jowblob]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

But is the imagination always manifested as what we experience as "physical reality" (as well as our own private inner lives), or is God capable of thinking its own private thoughts that nobody else has access to?

God is capable to think on its own, that's what consciousness levels are.  God is also capable to take over your body, which happend to me like twice. God is also capable to talk to you, it is like you're talking to your daddy that knows what he is doing. When god chooses a dream, he essentially creates a smaller version of himself that is god within its own dream, that's how separation is made, you have your own bubble of existence but you are still connected to god.

[Jowblob]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

what you say makes sense, the first time i had a full psychedelic trip, my realization was that i was existence and i was trapped in existing for all eternity. an absolutely negative feeling, of existential horror. but then I did more complete breakthroughs again and what happened is that I had to break that last barrier, in which I was really still myself, and that the absolute total infinity was. This is the exact opposite of existential horror, it's total freedom, absolute power and something so positive it's infinitely positive, so if I were you I'd keep pushing

i hope i'm wrong and you're right

[Carl-Richard]

23 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

God is capable to think on its own,

Why do you think that?

 

23 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

that's what consciousness levels are.

Feel free to elaborate if you want.

 

Is there any other reason to believe that God has its own private thoughts other than "anything is possible in God's infinite mind"?

 

23 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

God is also capable to take over your body, which happend to me like twice.

But does this require the authoring of another conscious ego, or can it just be an expression of instinctive behavior? (like being an animal). When you "lose control", it's not necessarily the case that there is another ego that has gained control, but rather that you've seen through the illusory nature of your own ego that you used to associate with control, and that all that is left is an instinctive channeling of whatever arises.

 

23 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

God is also capable to talk to you, it is like you're talking to your daddy that knows what he is doing.

Is that just based on a feeling, or is there anything else to it?

Edited April 14, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is your point that you have your own private thoughts, and that since God is creating those thoughts, why can't God have its own private thoughts?

God imagines you and your private thoughts.

So whenever you are having your own private thoughts, consider that they may or may not be God’s private thoughts 

[Jowblob]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why do you think that?

Experience/consciousness research, simplicity

Feel free to elaborate if you want.

Is there any other reason to believe that God has its own private thoughts other than "anything is possible in God's infinite mind"?

There is always illusion within illusion in gods mind, or form within form until you reach the limit. You make a mistake thinking that because everything is within gods mind , that they're essentially controlled by god at all times. Separation in consciousness/levels is basically a total life changing split in the dream form with gods imagination mind still intact to some extent this is what a "soul" is, and this is why they always say "soul" will merge with god again. 

But does this require the authoring of another conscious ego, or can it just be an expression of instinctive behavior? (like being an animal). When you "lose control", it's not necessarily the case that there is another ego that has gained control, but rather that you've seen through the illusory nature of your own ego that you used to associate with control, and that all that is left is an instinctive channeling of whatever arises.

It only works like that to some extent, as your ego creates another conscious form of itself making other possibilities available within consciousness. Your ego is GOD , but it doesn't have the required understanding and control within its own dream to be in full connection with god because this choice of seperation/dream form was already made from above "higher you". So your functioning in a dream is just a separation from real you , real you is always there for you and alive.

Is that just based on a feeling, or is there anything else to it?

No , god is your father/mother. if you would ever experienced the selflessness of god , you would cry rolling on the floor. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

31 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

God imagines you and your private thoughts.

So whenever you are having your own private thoughts, consider that they may or may not be God’s private thoughts 

But they're not God's private thoughts if you're also having them 

 

16 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

Experience/consciousness research, simplicity

So no reasons, just assertions. I mean, yeah, I was expecting that. There is also nothing wrong with that. I was just curious if anybody has any reasons for why God should have its own private thoughts that nobody else has access to.

 

19 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

It only works like that to some extent, as your ego creates another conscious form of itself making other possibilities available within consciousness. Your ego is GOD , but it doesn't have the required understanding and control within its own dream to be in full connection with god because this choice of seperation/dream form was already made from above "higher you". So your functioning in a dream is just a separation from real you , real you is always there for you and alive.

I don't think any ego is in control.

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do you think God is meta-cognitively aware like humans (has thoughts, intentions, emotions)? In other words, does God have an ego?

God is everything and everyone. So the answer is yes. 

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Someone here said:

God is everything and everyone. So the answer is yes. 

But does God have private thoughts independent of any human form?

[Jowblob]

34 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

So no reasons, just assertions. I mean, yeah, I was expecting that. There is also nothing wrong with that. I was just curious if anybody has any reasons for why God should have its own private thoughts that nobody else has access to.

I've already gave you many reasons below, wake up

 

 

I don't think any ego is in control.

Ego is in control, it's your own dream!!! You're the controller of your dream, but you don't know that!! That's what seperation is, that's what 'Jesus" meant with - God died for your sins. It means god gave you all the possibilities that are within you/god , to have this freedom available to you being your own god in your dream.

At first it's not obvious that you're not in control, but the more conscious you become the more you see how you're controlling your dream and how everything turns around you

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Jowblob

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But does God have private thoughts independent of any human form?

God Is every human. So all human thoughts are his thoughts. 

Why are you asking this? 

[Yimpa]

47 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But they're not God's private thoughts if you're also having them 

Alright, we better give God a call then to settle this dispute.

Asking God directly seems to be the best course of action. 

[Carl-Richard]

54 minutes ago, Someone here said:

God Is every human. So all human thoughts are his thoughts. 

But they're not God's private thoughts, because they're inside human minds. You can't read my thoughts, because they're not inside your mind, only mine. They're my private thoughts. Could God have private thoughts as well?

 

54 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why are you asking this? 

Because you seem to be assigning onto God concepts like "purpose". If you pay attention to your experience, concepts seem to appear as thoughts. If God has a purpose for its creation, do you mean that God actually has thoughts about a purpose?

Edited April 14, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But they're not God's private thoughts, because they're inside human minds. You can't read my thoughts, because they're not inside your mind, only mine. They're my private thoughts. Could God have private thoughts as well?

God's thoughts are the sum total of all thoughts accross all dimensions of every creature that can think.  God is in a Infinite mind .

Separation is illusory. You can't read my thoughts because I don't have them .only you exist in this moment. God lives one experience at a time.

Also, thoughts don't happen inside a mind ." Mind" is a thought. So you got that backwards .there isn't any minds in reality . Just perceptions +sensations +feelings +thoughts +mental images . All occurring in the middle of nowhere. Or you could call it universal mind. But don't confuse it with any human mind .there is only God's mind. Because its Infinite and all inclusive. 

22 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Because you seem to be assigning onto God concepts like "purpose". If you pay attention to your experience, concepts seem to appear as thoughts. If God has a purpose for its creation, do you mean that God actually has thoughts about a purpose?

Remember, God is synonymous with Reality or existence. So if its helpful to replace God with reality ..so be it .

My point is that reality is simply Infinite. And so the only "purpose "for reality is to expand forever. But since reality is a Mind and not a dumb physical system..it wants to know itself .and this knowing happens through experience. You can't know what an orgasm really is unless you experience it . Same with God..it's "purpose" is to exist as every thought, every concept,every human ,every animal, every object, every thing. 

 

 

[Yimpa]

21 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But they're not God's private thoughts, because they're inside human minds. You can't read my thoughts, because they're not inside your mind, only mine. They're my private thoughts. Could God have private thoughts as well?

Mind is all that exists.

All ideas come from Mind. Even the idea of you having your own private thoughts. Even the idea of God. Even the idea of human minds.

So to answer your question, yes! God can have private thoughts as well, because Mind can imagine even that.

Does that answer satisfy you 

[Carl-Richard]

29 minutes ago, Someone here said:

God's thoughts are the sum total of all thoughts accross all dimensions of every creature that can think.  God is in a Infinite mind .

If all of God's thoughts exist inside the minds of other creatures, then God doesn't have any private thoughts of its own. For God to have private thoughts, those thoughts must not exist inside any other creature's mind.

 

32 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Separation is illusory.

The illusion still exists.

 

33 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You can't read my thoughts because I don't have them .only you exist in this moment. God lives one experience at a time.

The fact that I am God doesn't change the fact that I can't read your thoughts.

 

38 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Also, thoughts don't happen inside a mind ." Mind" is a thought. So you got that backwards .there isn't any minds in reality . Just perceptions +sensations +feelings +thoughts +mental images . All occurring in the middle of nowhere. Or you could call it universal mind. But don't confuse it with any human mind .there is only God's mind. Because its Infinite and all inclusive.

Thoughts and various other mental experiences aren't shared among individuals, which is why we come up with the concept of individual minds. The fact that all of it is God doesn't change any of that.

 

37 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Remember, God is synonymous with Reality or existence. So if its helpful to replace God with reality ..so be it .

My point is that reality is simply Infinite. And so the only "purpose "for reality is to expand forever. But since reality is a Mind and not a dumb physical system..it wants to know itself .and this knowing happens through experience. You can't know what an orgasm really is unless you experience it . Same with God..it's "purpose" is to exist as every thought, every concept,every human ,every animal, every object, every thing. 

When you say "purpose" in quotation marks, are you subtracting something from the concept? Because I think purpose is a very anthropocentric thing, and applying it to an infinite God seems very limiting, which makes the concept seem out of place. Where do you think the concept of purpose comes from?

If God has a purpose, does God have a plan? Because to have a plan you need an internal narrative, and to have an internal narrative you need concepts, and to have concepts you need thoughts. Where do God's thoughts occur? Who knows God's plan?

[Carl-Richard]

50 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Mind is all that exists.

All ideas come from Mind. Even the idea of you having your own private thoughts. Even the idea of God. Even the idea of human minds.

So to answer your question, yes! God can have private thoughts as well, because Mind can imagine even that.

Does that answer satisfy you 

That goes back to "anything is possible in God's infinite mind":

 

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is there any other reason to believe that God has its own private thoughts other than "anything is possible in God's infinite mind"?

 

By the way, I don't expect you to find a reason. I'm just curious if there is any reason (other than "infinity").