The Wealthy Have Less Empathy

[jimwell]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-wealthy-have-less-empathy

It was good Leo turned the spotlight on the wealthy's bullshit. 

It's not exactly Stage Green. 

But I still must say that Stage Green deserves all the support in the world. 

[Zedman]

How do you call someone who is wealthy/powerful + empathetic? One of the definitions for word ''noble'' fits perfectly. Most wealthy are not empathic because they are not noble.

Is it noble to screw someone over to gain power? Yes, screw over those who are rich and not noble. Screw over 3 well off guys to lift 10 who are starving. Would you take such high risk endevour for your benefit? Maybe. But it is also possible you are doing it out of empathy.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

4 hours ago, Zedman said:

How do you call someone who is wealthy/powerful + empathetic? One of the definitions for word ''noble'' fits perfectly. Most wealthy are not empathic because they are not noble.

Is it noble to screw someone over to gain power? Yes, screw over those who are rich and not noble. Screw over 3 well off guys to lift 10 who are starving. Would you take such high risk endevour for your benefit? Maybe. But it is also possible you are doing it out of empathy.

It's not noble to screw a non-noble person.

It's like misbehaving someone because he misbehaved you.

[Hardkill]

Is what Leo said about having enough wealth and education in order to become stage Green inconsistent with what he's also said about how rich and successful people including those are highly educated as being stuck in stage Orange?

Edited April 13, 2023 by Hardkill

[Danioover9000]

   Man, you can say all you want, but I'm going to become that millionaire artist I've been dreaming of becoming, with lots of energy, confidence, and always taking action towards my life purpose. I'll be such a great artist, that even if I lose more and more emotion to merge more and more with my vision, that I'll ultimately become who I want and where I want in that picture, versus all other pictures, so be it.

[Buck Edwards]

Empathy and suffering have a deep connect. When you're poor and suffering, you understand the nature of suffering that in turn challenges your core conscience and helps you become an empathic person. 

 

[jimwell]

On 4/14/2023 at 0:57 AM, Zedman said:

Is it noble to screw someone over to gain power? Yes, screw over those who are rich and not noble. Screw over 3 well off guys to lift 10 who are starving. Would you take such high risk endevour for your benefit? Maybe. But it is also possible you are doing it out of empathy.

Yes, it can be noble as long as the intention and actions are genuine. 

But only a very mentally mature human can pull it off; at least a self-loving Stage Yellow who is also selfless and has strong Stage Green and Red aspects. I wonder whether Robinhood was that way.  

 

18 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Is what Leo said about having enough wealth and education in order to become stage Green inconsistent with what he's also said about how rich and successful people including those are highly educated as being stuck in stage Orange?

No, it's not. Many Stage Green humans have gone through Stage Orange. 

But it's also true that many Stage Orange humans got stuck in that SPiral Stage. A good example is Warren Buffet. He's wealthy as fuck but also dumb as fuck. He will die soon, and he's still spending most of his time and energy on investing. What a waste of resources.

 

17 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Man, you can say all you want, but I'm going to become that millionaire artist I've been dreaming of becoming, with lots of energy, confidence, and always taking action towards my life purpose. I'll be such a great artist, that even if I lose more and more emotion to merge more and more with my vision, that I'll ultimately become who I want and where I want in that picture, versus all other pictures, so be it.

Go for it and give it your all.

 

13 hours ago, Enlightement said:

Empathy and suffering have a deep connect. When you're poor and suffering, you understand the nature of suffering that in turn challenges your core conscience and helps you become an empathic person. 

 

True. But it's also true that extreme suffering can turn a human demon into a human devil.

It depends on how you react.

[Lila9]

It really depends on the person. Personally, even though I'm far from being rich, I know that the more money I have, the more I want to give it to everyone in need because I don't see a logical reason to be rich while there is so much suffering in the world that can be solved with money. It seems so stupid to have more money than you actually need to cover your basic needs, and let it lie in your bank account, instead of doing something that will improve someone's life and make a positive impact on the world with this money. 

After reading this post I agree that generally speaking, most of the wealth in the world was made by manipulation, it makes me so angry to be honest, even though I know this my entire life. 

And I don't hate money, money is energy and it's neutral, money can be food, health, happiness, it's a resource and resources can be used and misused.

But I don't see any value in being rich for the sake of being rich. It's stupid and I cringe when people admire rich people just because they're rich. 

Yes, money is power and everybody needs some healthy degree of it.

I see value in an ethical human, being rich if it means that corrupted people with no ethics and shitty values will have less of it, and less power in society as a result.

I see value in being rich if it means having enough power to do good things with the money one has.

Actually, one doesn't have to be rich in order to make a good impact with one's own money, of course that the more money one has the more impact they can make, but everyone can have more conscious and ethical decisions, even if they are small, like making sure that the product one's buying is a fair-trade, or monthly donating 10$ to a reliable organization that makes a positive impact, or consuming less meat and plastic and such stuff. 

 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Lila9

[MuadDib]

 

The post reminded me of a clip from this podcast where Chris and Alex discuss the three most common traits of highly successful people, and prompted some interesting questions for me. The three traits were:

• superiority complex
• massive insecurity
• impulse control

i.e. Narcissists/Cluster B-type people who can sit on their hands.

It’s interesting to me that we have developed a framework for motivation based on the assumption that people need to run toward something they want while also running away from something they fear. How true is that? How much is that a generalization? Is it possible to find ‘motivation’ or discipline in other ways, or can we conceptualize it differently? How silly is the comparison between objective measures of ‘success’ when internally people value very different things, as they discuss what people optimize for?

Their discussion of the tennis player who was categorized at 10 years old as ‘highly likely to be successful’ based on 2 metrics was interesting. Do ultra-wealthy/successful people become that way because they are already broken early? Or do those traits develop as they move into higher and higher echelons of society/social circles where those traits are more normalized? Is there a correlation between the two? When you’re lower down on the economic ladder do you become more empathic as a survival function? i.e. Does low SES cause higher empathy or does higher empathy cause lower SES, does lower empathy cause higher SES, or does higher SES cause lower empathy?

Taking some of these questions into account and the answers we may develop, is it possible for someone who is ‘awake’, self-aware, and self-loving (In a genuine rather than pathological sense) to be motivated enough to push themselves up into these pathological spheres and work to remedy them? How likely are the chances of success in such an endeavor? How strong are the opportunities for self-deception? To me, it seems like a quantum leap in understanding human behavior would need to be made, with the development of psychological weapons equivalent to nuclear bombs to be deployed for there to even be a chance of ‘success’. OR very subtle, sneaky tools to push on high leverage points of systems, within systems within systems. Whether you’re working with a hippie starving artist who is too good for their own good or an eccentric billionaire who is too broken for everyone else's good.

 

 

[Heart of Space]

I know a great man named Ian who sucks himself and likes to be sucked.  And he's wealthy.  And you know what?  I like Ian, he's a great man that just needed to be loved in order to be the leader he was meant to be at my company.  

He's Catholic and I wear a rosary everyday to work, blessed by Pope Francis.  It is partially just out of respect for Ian, but he doesn't know that.  He thinks I'm considering becoming Catholic.  Although I believe in a lot of Catholic ideals I'm not 100% sold, shhh... don't tell him that.  

I still believe in the power of a holy object and the Rosary certainly is one that holds significant power.  

Edited April 15, 2023 by Heart of Space

[M A J I]

It is because they are not 'truly' wealthy but materialistically congested. The truly wealthy are those of perfect health, spiritual enlightenment, simplest and effortless living and minimalists that live in perfect harmony with the earth and the universe at large.

[Willie]

On 4/13/2023 at 0:57 PM, Zedman said:

How do you call someone who is wealthy/powerful + empathetic? One of the definitions for word ''noble'' fits perfectly. Most wealthy are not empathic because they are not noble.

Is it noble to screw someone over to gain power? Yes, screw over those who are rich and not noble. Screw over 3 well off guys to lift 10 who are starving. Would you take such high risk endevour for your benefit? Maybe. But it is also possible you are doing it out of empathy.

That’s why Robin Hood was such a popular character. Screwing over the people who got rich by screwing over people.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Although I disagree with what he said about Socialism being b.s. 

Completely disagree, I think it’s humanities ultimate future as automation, changes in culture, and third world countries refusing to be exploited make Capitalism outdated and not work-able. Of course it will be a more Democratic Socialism, not necessarily Marxism or Communism.

Capitalists will never admit to this do, as it will require to concede and ultimately surrender their positions of power and comfortable living for being ultimate collective detriments.