Materialism And Idealism; Both True; Both False

[Flow With Life]

Materialism: the belief that there is an objective world existing independent of my awareness of it

Idealism: the belief that there is no objective world existing independent of my awareness of it

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When you say goodbye to a friend, and they leave your house, where do they go? Do they go home and live out their own private life independently from you? Do they cease to exist altogether until the next time you meet? What about things? Is your desk actually there in front of you, or is it only sight and tactile sensations with nothing behind it, giving off an illusion of something solid?

The truth is, you don't know. YOU DON'T KNOW. You don't know what you don't know.

Here's what you DO know: that there is an experience happening right now. The light of consciousness reveals your friend and your table, but where does your friend go after they leave your light, and is the table really there or is it just an image and a sensation of touch?

What is outside of the light? The Darkness--it is what you don't know. And what is it that you don't know? You don't know what you don't know. So... what you don't know must be INFINITE.

The Darkness is the Unknown; a vast and infinite sea of possibilities; an infinity of latent potentiality; every possible universe imaginable, and not imaginable.

When your friend leaves, they could have went home, or to work, or to school, or to the dentist. All of those possibilities and more are all true at once, because you don't know. It is only when you meet again that the infinite potentiality that is the Darkness re-manifests itself as the human expression that is your friend, and they will be able to tell you a consistent single account of where they have been since you last met.

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Embedded in the belief of Materialism is the sense of a concrete or solid objective world, that takes on a PARTICULAR form, even when one is not looking. But the Darkness has no form, it is EVERY form, and no form at all. So your friend does not follow a PARTICULAR path, nor does the table exist as a solid thing somewhere. But they both exist, your friend and your table, they just exist as part of the infinite ocean of everything and nothing. They manifest themselves to you in the form of sight, sound, touch, and thoughts through the light of consciousness. It is only when they manifest that they assume a particular form.

This is why Materialism and Idealism are both True, and both False.

[Bodhi123]

On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 8:18 PM, Flow With Life said:

When you say goodbye to a friend, and they leave your house, where do they go?

I have a good friend that lives in another state than me. I only meet up with my friend maybe once a year. During this meeting, he tells me about all of the events that took place in his life since we last met.

Did the events described by my friend actually happen?

[Flow With Life]

On 3/14/2017 at 0:26 AM, Bodhi123 said:

I have a good friend that lives in another state than me. I only meet up with my friend maybe once a year. During this meeting, he tells me about all of the events that took place in his life since we last met.

Did the events described by my friend actually happen?

You don't know. That is the point. Because you don't know, it is equivalent to your friend vanishing into the Infinite; which has no form. Only when your friend re-emerges from the Infinite, does he take on a single form; and then he can tell you the events that took place in his (singular) life.

 

But the next time you meet your friend, perhaps it will be the version of him who visited Spain, or perhaps it will be a version of him that got married, or some other version. You have no idea which version of him will emerge.

[Bodhi123]

@Flow With Life Okay, thank you. I find your insight about the interplay of light (consciousness) and darkness (potential) very interesting.

However, it is a little difficult for me to understand.

On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 8:18 PM, Flow With Life said:

Darkness has no form, it is EVERY form, and no form at all.

Can you please elaborate a little bit on what you mean by the above quote?

Also, do you literally mean everything outside of my awareness has no definite form?

[PureExp]

On 13/3/2017 at 8:48 AM, Flow With Life said:

The truth is, you don't know.

I agree.

Agnostic viewpoint is a great place to start. It shows that you lack unfounded beliefs and your cup is empty, you are ready to receive.

I'd like you to consider a hypothesis - "there is an universal mind that knows everything there is to know".

Secondly - "our individual minds are a tiny part of this universal mind, and are separated by some barriers (we don't know what barriers)".

You take these two assumptions and contemplate the implications. You will find that this elegantly solves the riddle of minds. I don't know your mind and your experiences, I know only mine. How nice would it be if there is a bigger entity that knows all minds.....

Just entertain that idea without taking it as truth. You cannot accept it as truth because you don't know the universal mind, so its only a theory.

Now next step - try to find any evidence of something resembling an universal mind, some indirect clues etc. Its fun

[Flow With Life]

On 3/16/2017 at 11:47 PM, Bodhi123 said:

@Flow With Life Okay, thank you. I find your insight about the interplay of light (consciousness) and darkness (potential) very interesting.

However, it is a little difficult for me to understand.

Can you please elaborate a little bit on what you mean by the above quote?

Also, do you literally mean everything outside of my awareness has no definite form?

I can elaborate, but words can only go so far; one first has to have tasted spiciness to understand a word-description of the taste of Indian Curry. My main goal was to open up new philosophical paths--to not settle on an "answer". But here it goes:

 

Imagine a 3-D object that has no particular shape. It is every shape. It could be a pyramid, or a cube, or a donut, or a flat plane stretching into infinity, or nothing at all, or an infinite space encompassing everything, or perhaps some "impossible" MC Escher shape. It is all possible configurations at once. What form does it have? One can say it has every form because it includes, within itself, all possible forms. One can also say it has no form at all, because it does not take on a specific form, it is formless and cannot be defined.

 

For your second question, if you admit that you don't know what is in the Darkness, then that means you've thrown away any assumptions about it. From the perspective of your mind, having no access to that which is outside of itself (i.e. the Darkness), the Darkness literally has no definite form. It is possible to become directly aware of this... a deep sense of "not knowing".

 

Yet from the perspective of the Darkness itself (actually it is impossible to take such a perspective, but hypothetically speaking...), it could be the case that Materialism is true (the world really is just one way whether you are looking or not), or Idealism is true (there is nothing there at all), or any other configuration including an Infinity like the 3-D shape above (they are all true).

 

I wouldn't get too hung up on trying to figure out the definite shape of the Darkness, because you logically can't (How can you know anything about that which you don't know?). And yet, it is only by questioning its form that you can come to see it directly. That is the real answer, and no words of mine can compare.

[Bodhi123]

33 minutes ago, Flow With Life said:

I can elaborate, but words can only go so far; one first has to have tasted spiciness to understand a word-description of the taste of Indian Curry. 

This is true. A direct experience is necessary for your words to truly convey meaning to me.

Nonetheless, thank you for your description.