Unplugging for 90 days

[zurew]

37 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

They dont change the fundamental dynamics of life.

Imo, our limitations determine how much we comprehend and how we perceive the fundamental dynamics and nature of life.

- Can we actually decouple our perception of the fundamental dynamics of life from our limitations (when it comes to our ability to percieve, remember, comprehend,sense etc) and if yes, how would we know it? - or in other words: Is our perception of the fundamental dynamics of life actually = to all the fundemantal dynamics  of life?

- Would an ant have the same type of awakening about the fundamental nature of life, or it would be completely different in quality and in nature compared to humans?

- Is our perception of enlightenment or awakening would be the exact same with a completely different brain or brainwiring?- would we even call it Awakening the same way as we do right now?

 

Think about all the limitations when it comes to our contemplation and inquiry: Our brain can't really make sense of paradoxes and it start to struggle and break down. 

Our ability to think is limited by Law of excluded middle, and the law of noncontradiction and there is so much more limitation.

 

The big mindfuck here is our perception of our own limitations, because thats what I questioned above. Is our ability to percieve our own limitations show our own limitations or is that limited itself by limitations that we can't percieve or know of?

Edited May 28, 2023 by zurew

[Razard86]

On 4/10/2023 at 11:31 AM, Nilsi said:

I will unplug from the internet for 90 days. This means no social media, no YouTube, no news, no WhatsApp (which will probably get me in trouble lol), no Spotify, etc. I just cannot engage with all this intellectually and psychologically taxing content while effectively focusing on my career. Moderation has never worked for me, so doing yet another hail mary seems like a sensible idea. I don't want to run away from the world's problems and escape into some solipsistic bubble obviously, but I need some time and space to think and focus on real-world stuff.

My plan is to work in sales until I'm a millionaire and then drop out to focus on important philosophical problems, which will realistically take me 2-3 years if I give it my all. It's impossible to make any significant progress on large-scale societal issues if you put in 8-10 hours of psychologically taxing work every day. So, as ethically dubious as this may be, it's still my best plan to do something useful with my life. I will also burn through a lot of karma regarding luxury, sex, and power in this position, so that's quite good. And I strive to become an elite-level sales manager (which I will have to become on this tight schedule I've set for myself), which will translate reasonably well to any form of communication.

I will use these 90 days to really begin and study the ins and outs of effective communication (and persuasion), reconnect to reality on a somatic and visceral level, and get clear on how to proceed from there intelligently.

So, anyways, until then!

Check this guy out if you interested in mastering sales.

 

 

[Nilsi]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

The big mindfuck here is our perception of our own limitations, because thats what I questioned above. Is our ability to percieve our own limitations show our own limitations or is that limited itself by limitations that we can't percieve or know of?

This is fine. Things can be infinitely more complex and nuanced than I could ever comprehend.

What I talk about holds though. You can not contemplate your way to health, money and power. And those are infinitely valuable. They give you maximum optionality in life. Contemplation only simulates this. 

AI and synthetic biology will only make this more obvious. While you contemplate this stuff, I will use it to increase my power and optionality even more. 

This is evolution. Survival of the fittest. Those dynamics will always exist. The only question is whether you want to ascend or be left in the dust.

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Check this guy out if you interested in mastering sales.

 

 

He is a interesting character. I listened to his conversation with Lex.

I barely study these days. If I need insight into something, I just go for a walk. When worst comes to worst I ask Chat-GPT. Everything else is way too slow and muddy.

[zurew]

33 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What I talk about holds though. You can not contemplate your way to health, money and power. And those are infinitely valuable. They give you maximum optionality in life. Contemplation only simulates this. 

AI and synthetic biology will only make this more obvious. While you contemplate this stuff, I will use it to increase my power and optionality even more. 

This is evolution. Survival of the fittest. Those dynamics will always exist. The only question is whether you want to ascend or be left in the dust.

Yeah I agree, I was just trying to challenge the idea, that "we already have most of the structural/existential things figured out", but I might have misinterpreted you, because it seems, we essentially agree that:

33 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Things can be infinitely more complex and nuanced than we could ever comprehend.

 

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

While you contemplate this stuff, I will use it to increase my power and optionality even more. 

This is evolution. Survival of the fittest. Those dynamics will always exist. The only question is whether you want to ascend or be left in the dust.

Bro, all your constant talk and obsession about power, reminds me of Vegeta:

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Strength is the only thing that matters in this world, everything else is just an delusion for the weak.

 

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

Bro, all your constant talk and obsession about power, reminds me of Vegeta

lol.

All Im really obsessing about is being able to live with as much creative freedom as possible. Im not trying to become some Bond villain.

[Carl-Richard]

21 hours ago, Nilsi said:

I hate to bring him up again, but there is actually quite some wisdom in Andrew Tate using "geek" and "nerd" as a slur. 

Its men of action that end up being rewarded by life with health, looks, riches and a great (genetic) legacy. 

This goes for all great human achievements, of course -  be they artisitc, politic, literary, etc. 

Even Hegel spent a good chunk of his life in action, fighting the creative battle to immortalize his ideas (as anti-action as they may be).

You were sort of inching yourself towards this point yourself, but I don't see how geeks and nerds are necessarily anti-action, or people who are doing nothing in the world. That would rather be stoners, gamers and losers. Like you say with Hegel, reaching the top even in an intellectual field necessarily involves taking some real world actions to further your own interests. And if you are a geek or a nerd, you're better off being authentic to that if you want to be a man of action in any fashion, rather than letting outside forces dictate you (which is inherently less motivating and a high predictor of failure and misery, and thus no action, i.e. you become a loser).

Edited May 29, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Nilsi]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You were sort of inching yourself towards this point yourself, but I don't see how geeks and nerds are necessarily anti-action, or people who are doing nothing admirable. That would rather be stoners, gamers and losers. Geeks and nerds are very focused on some pretty niche interests from a social surface level perspective, but which pay off highly in the end when they reach the top of their fields, both for them as individuals and for the surrounding society. And if you are a geek or a nerd, you're better off being authentic to that if you want to be a man of action, rather than letting outside forces dictate you (which is inherently less motivating and a high predictor of failure and misery).

The problem with the geek is that he/she is the only one who knows that he/she is doing something admirable. Even when they reach the top of what they are doing, its so niched down that no one really appreciates it (or only a small group of other geeks).

I would consider someone like Chris Langan a geek, but people liek Huberman or Lex Fridman are actually exercising their will to power and look at how much success it brought them.

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Nilsi said:

The problem with the geek is that he/she is the only one who knows that he/she is doing something admirable. Even when they reach the top of what they are doing, its so niched down that no one really appreciates it (or only a small group of other geeks).

So again, if you're authentically a geek and want to not be a geek, you would then be driven by external forces, which is a higher likelihood of failure, and then nobody would appreciate you. Andrew Tate was never a geek. He is authentically a "chad". He played Chess when he was 5, sure, but I remember he had some non-geek reasoning for why he started kickboxing.

 

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I would consider someone like Chris Langan a geek, but people liek Huberman or Lex Fridman are actually exercising their will to power and look at how much success it brought them.

Will to power? I just see two happy guys who like podcasting ?

[Nilsi]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

So again, if you're authentically a geek and want to not be a geek, you would then be driven by external forces, which is a higher likelihood of failure, and then nobody would appreciate you. Andrew Tate was never a geek. He is authentically a "chad". He played Chess when he was 5, sure, but I remember he had some non-geek reasoning for why he started kickboxing.

There were no "authentic geeks" in ancient Greek or Rome. Most philosophers were chads. To me that is like saying stop becoming happy and be authentically depressed.

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Will to power? I just see two happy guys who like podcasting ?

There are obviously lots of motives converging in anything humans do.

To me precisely that is the key. To live in such a way that all your motives converge as much as possible. And the will to power is one of the most fundamental motives in life and nature.

Life wants to grow, to dominate, to assert itself. Doesnt take a postmodernist to figure that out.

Of course not everyone can do that. Thats why most people will not agree with this - because most people will never be able to exercise their will to power much at all.

There are many more antelopes in nature than lions. So anything antelope will be more agreeable.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Nilsi

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

There were no "authentic geeks" in ancient Greek or Rome. Most philosophers were chads. To me that is like saying stop becoming happy and be authentically depressed.

There are obviously lots of motives converging in anything humans do.

To me precisely that is the key. To live in such a way that all your motives converge as much as possible. And the will to power is one of the most fundamental motives in life and nature.

Life wants to grow, to dominate, to assert itself. Doesnt take a postmodernist to figure that out.

Is Leo a geek or a chad?

[Nilsi]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is Leo a geek or a chad?

Hes a geek turned chad turned geek

He at least knows what hes giving up. That I can respect. Same goes for Schmachtenberger, Wilber, Peterson.

Its just part of becoming a man to face some harsh truths about life and to go to war at least once in your life. Were we born some decase earlier we would have spend our early 20s in the military instead of filling our heads with dense scientific theory and shooting ourselves to the moon with the help of chemistry. We should be grateful I believe, but still something is clearly missing.

You dont have to take it as far as someone like Tate, but you better man up a bit, put your best foot forward and be ready to get smacked in the face by life. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Nilsi