Dalai Lama apologizes after video asking child to 'suck' his tongue sparks outcry

[Danioover9000]

@fortifyacacia3

37 minutes ago, fortifyacacia3 said:

Playfulness or sexual, both are entirely conceivable and no one should pretend to be certain. I'm guessing both contributed to his actions. The certainty in it being just playfulness is a bit more wild though. To those of this opinion, I hope you can see that even if it were a joke it is still inappropriate. Y'all come off as a cross between getting lost in cultural relativism & run-of-the-mill religious apologism for your pet theories and attachments. I just see smug amorality kidding itself as having a detachment that surpasses common social rules. To whom it may apply to, try a little harder to be more receptive towards what many people would think about this. Don't just write people off as being lost in moral outrage. Let your amorality go full-circle and think for yourself, rather than the emotional against the grain way of thinking that comforts you in believing you're above the bullshit. Like yes, we get it, this forum is aware that this sort of thing is the easiest thing for a human to write off as evil. Both perspectives here are in need of some nuance, though not only does one side come off incredibly more weird its also pretending to red pill social packaging while giving thought terminating responses that don't actually contend with the moralistic reactions.

   Yes, I agree that both sides of this issue are too biased, and are projecting their biases and self preferences, both disowning and disavowing the self images and egoic parts that identify and make up the behavior and person doing the so called acts of evil or acts of degeneracy. I think, that we have millions of egoic parts of ourselves that we disown and suppress over time, sexual, religious, political, social, cultural, and so on, that make us who we are consciously in our wakeful awareness, because we created this gigantic abyssal border and plane that we storehouse parts of ourselves seen as negative, whilst upholding the nobler parts of ourselves as virtuous, effective we've created hell for our shadow selves and heaven for our light selves, whilst the earth we walk in is plagued with psychic tension, repressions and suppressions of our creativity and ideals and what we really want to do.

   Arguably the most challenging shadow always will revolve around the self image that identifies as I that loves children this way, and that which self identifies as that also fears that which has this childlike innocence, and those who have had great childhoods when ours was stolen from early childhood, or is not the ideal childhood we wanted. It's both disowning those who taken and destroyed our childhood, and also disowning and suppressing this innocence because we're no longer children ourselves, therefore we're forced to grow up and suppress this childlike states in a world full of danger and full of shadows ready to prey upon our innocence at slight hint of weakness in our feminine and child self. Ignoring integrating this aspect to our psyche we end up harshly judging others who have more happiness than us, and those who perceivably or actually prey on children, because by harshly condemning that identity we also disown that part that is like them that preys on children, see? Those that have this specific issue also have childhood issues themselves, and are deeply jealous and envious of  children that still have this innocence in them, that which was destroyed somewhere in their earlier childhood.

   I don't know if the Dalai Lama still has lingering shadow selves to deal with, despite his many hours of meditations he does everyday, that still isn't exactly shadow integration work properly, but I can safely assume that he's burnt and integrated most of his inner demons enough to mostly be humorous and joke most of the time for he was mostly seen it all, in the eyes of those Chinese CCP soldiers that did acts of violence to him and his people, and vice versa.  

[Salvijus]

Making an inappropriate joke blown to an extreme proportions ? 

Dalai lama is so innoscent of his behavior he wasn't even aware how badly westerners will interpret it lol. 

[Danioover9000]

@Salvijus

14 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Making an inappropriate joke blown to an extreme proportions ? 

Dalai lama is so innoscent of his behavior he wasn't even aware how badly westerners will interpret it lol. 

   Yep, that's one of the downsides to living in isolation away from society, in the Himalayan mountains meditating deeply: You are so free, and have so much consciousness you almost forget the SURVIVAL concerns of the typical social systems. and cultural norms. Thank goodness there were people there to correct for the Dalai Lama, I have a feeling he'd be joking more intensely. Osho would be proud of his innocence and humorous nature.

[Salvijus]

All i see is pure love and inclusiveness

The act of putting foreheads together is really beautiful to me and the kid is clearly responding positivly to dalai lamas kindness. The rest of it is just dalai lama being goofy.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Salvijus

[Thought Art]

I wanna take back my earlier comments. 
 

I don’t know is my stance 

[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, integral said:

Actual video, looks pretty playful to me. 

This is an edited version of the video. His tongue was out longer… 

 

[integral]

59 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

This is an edited version of the video. His tongue was out longer… 

 

That one is significantly more adorable. 

[MsNobody]

@Mormegil thank god someone has common sense. I can't even watch it anymore, it disgusts me a lot, because I see the body language of the child, he is trying to back off, his body language says he doesn't want, and the Dalai lama is pulling him. Those people defending him are all followers, no one thinks for themselves, they have probably prayed for the Dalai lama or somehow idolize him to the point of not really being able to see the actuality. When the lenses are blurred the image will be distorted. 

It's like when the amazon was burning due to Bolsonaro's government and the smoke went all the way to Sao Paulo, and my mom was in denial because she loves Bolsonaro. She said he would never do something like that, and even if he did, forest fires are good for the forest. Imagine the smoke traveling 2000 miles down south due to extended affected area.

It's easier to be in denial, it's easier to say it was playful. Until you have a child and your child is molested, then things are waaay different. That's why we live many lives, some people need to actually be in the place of that child to develop compassion. 

I was surprised by the comments, when Leo is always reinforcing the importance of thinking for ourselves, and how gurus are sometimes full of shit.

[integral]

1 hour ago, MsNobody said:

I was surprised by the comments, when Leo is always reinforcing the importance of thinking for ourselves, and how gurus are sometimes full of shit.

I get the position you've taken, but its just another framing, its unclear if this is child molestation or not.

The position you've taken to focused on one side and it seems like there strong negative emotions guiding it. I wouldn't say its "thinking for one self" to be guided by emotions like this. The majority of people view this on the negative side and its harder to see why its not. To say "i dont know" or give him a pass in this case is where the challenge is, but demonizing the situation is easy. 

It would be easier if we would see the child's face, I really cant detect the "pull back" and discomfort you guys are seeing.

Im not saying its happening or not, but you guys are also experiencing projection caused by framing. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by integral

[Danioover9000]

@integral

1 hour ago, integral said:

I get the position you've taken, but its just another framing, its unclear if this is child molestation or not.

The position you've taken to focused on one side and it seems like there strong negative emotions guiding it. I wouldn't say its "thinking for one self" to be guided by emotions like this. The majority of people view this on the negative side and its harder to see why its not. To say "i dont know" or give him a pass in this case is where the challenge is, but demonizing the situation is easy. 

It would be easier if we would see the child's face, I really cant detect the "pull back" and discomfort you guys are seeing.

Im not saying its happening or not, but you guys are also experiencing projection caused by framing. 

   True, literally I'll plainly explain what's happening:

   One side that's indoctrinated by western values/culture and Christian morality/values, stages blue/orange/green sees Dalai Lama's behavior, from hugging, to butting heads with the kid, to guiding his chin to give a kiss, and to giving the Tibetan greeting of sticking his tongue out, asking the kid to suck it, is being binarily interpreted as bad and evil, and simply pedophiliac behavior, meanwhile the news media tells their framing and narrative control making the incident more inflammatory than it actually happened and thought terminating cliche, and the social media communities such as Twitter, Twitch, Tik Tok, and stream community all behave like the vultures they are descend to giving their hyper emotional takes for more clicks and views, case in point Cardi B, Charlie also known as Penguinz0 who's a YouTube gamer that gives honest opinions who I don't care at all, and some other twat social media celebrity I don't care enough to know. All think they're right and justified with viewing this as creepy behavior whilst being ignorant as usual to their indoctrination and cultural blind spot .

   Another side, indoctrinated by Tibetan Buddhism ideology, stage blue/green and some orange, who have the Dalai Lama as sacred, wise and a world leader have experienced cognitive dissonance and other cognitive biases, then go to give their justifications for his behavior, drawing from past behavioral patterns of him joking often, and it's cultural for them to greet like that and so on.

   The third side, the few, at stage yellow and beyond, with highly developed cognition and morality, personality types and traits, diverse states of consciousness, diverse life experiences and other lines of development across many life domains, and systems thinker, sees all these cultural relativity of it all, and many consequences and implications, who's higher in spiritual development and has paranormal powers, sees all these events as a typical Friday night, incomparable to the Nuclear holocaust that could happen, genetic mutations of viruses or funguses designed with CRISPER technology that could wipe us out, by humans, or by AI and AGI with enough data and intelligence to develop them,

   The fourth side, the spirits, ghosts, aliens, hyper dimensional beings, godlings, deities, cthulhu, all beyond human comprehension, all laughing at the insignificance of this incident.

[Jwayne]

14 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   I think the outcry and outrage is valid and displaced, you should be outraged at kiddie dance competitions in America and America sexualizing children.

   

I absolutely agree that sexualizing children is exploitative.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Jwayne

[Jwayne]

8 hours ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@MsNobody different cultures have different standards for what's wrong and what's right. What the Dali Lama did would be considered child molestation in the west, whereas in the East it is just a playful gesture. 

People in the 'East' are also outraged. That's my entire point. People in India, China, Korea, Japan, etc. are also disgusted by this.

There is no 'cultural defense' for this. Hence why HH was forced to issue an apology. If it was standard behavior then he would be able to explain.

This is very symptomatic of the dark side of repressed sexuality that can show up in voluntary celibates, such as Catholic Priests. The Dalai Lama used his authority to tower over the child in this situation. That's how trauma is formed and its exploitative.

Now what's happening is a kind of gaslighting against Eastern people by Western people because Eastern people are very protective of their children.

No nation in the East has sex education textbooks showing blowjobs, etc. like certain European countries (e.g. Netherlands) do. The sexualization of children is a Western phenomenon and this is being projected onto the East, as if Eastern people also think the same way.

This is not about Tibetan 'tongue greetings'.

[MsNobody]

@integral the child's reaction shouldn't even be in question. It's an old man asking a child to have his tongue sucked.

Dalai Lama is a normal mortal, and apparently he is perverted lol, which just makes him human like all of us. Putting him on a pedestal is dangerous, like someone who is in love and cannot see the flaws of the other person.

I'm not trying to prove my point here, if you allow me to say something about your POV I would say that it lacks compassion towards the child.

There are levels of enlightenment, it doesn't seem like he is very high up on the spiral. I'm not emotional about it, things are just simple sometimes, specially when it comes to child molestation, maybe because I'm a woman and I'm compassionate. I love children and am around them a lot, I could easily read his body language, maybe it's the intuitive side of women because we do need to read deeper into a child's behavior in order to care for them. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by MsNobody

[Jwayne]

6 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

@integral the child's reaction shouldn't even be in question. It's an old man asking a child to have his tongue sucked.

Dalai Lama is a normal mortal, and apparently he is perverted lol, which just makes him human like all of us. Putting him on a pedestal is dangerous, like someone who is in love and cannot see the flaws of the other person. I'm not trying to prove my point here, if you allow me to say something about your POV I would say that it lacks compassion towards the child.

There are levels of enlightenment, it doesn't seem like he is very up high on the spiral. I'm not emotional about it, things are just simple sometimes, specially when it comes to child molestation, maybe because I'm a woman and I'm compassionate. I love children and am around them a lot, I could easily read his body language, maybe it's the intuitive side of woman because we do need to read deeper into a child's behavior in order to care for them. 

I can promise you that the people you are discussing with on this forum right now don't have children nor close relations with them.

It is impossible to be so crass about this subject ('haha it's just a sex joke') when you are personally around children that you love and care about on a daily basis, and see how impressionable and sensitive they are.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Jwayne

[Thought Art]

If the Dali Lama did that to you you would be uncomfortable and probably upset. Even as someone older it’s still weird if the Dali Lama asks you to suck his tongue? Like what? 
 

So strange. My mind is still ambiguous about what I think about it. For those of you who also are working on understanding how your mind interprets reality this should be fun. 

Next post I will list 10 possible interpretations of this situation. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Thought Art

[Jwayne]

19 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

If the Dali Lama did that to you you would be uncomfortable and probably upset. Even as someone older it’s still weird if the Dali Lama asks you to suck his tongue? Like what? 
 

So strange. My mind is still ambiguous about what I think about it. For those of you who also are working on understanding how your mind interprets reality this should be fun. 

Next post I will list 10 possible interpretations of this situation. 

I'll give you something for your list.

#1. Grooming behavior. The Dalai Lama used a series of compliance tests to see how much he could get away with. Which is a common practice amongst sexual predators. First something inoffensive, like "come closer". And then progressing to more intimact contact, like hug and mouth kiss. And then after a moment of deliberation, an escalation to something even more inappropriate.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Jwayne

[MsNobody]

@Jwayne Yes agree. They think it's just a play of mind, "oh let's see how you interpret reality". It's all fun and games until your child is molested by an old guy with power. Why didn't he "play" with another old guy?! It had to be a powerless child.

Enlightenment is not a process of ascension, it's a descend. There is a lot of mind here, intellectualization, not much heart, not much gut. People are so disconnected from their own bodies, lost in the realm of mind, that they can't even read a child's body language, that's where we are at as a society. 

If the Dalai Lama went through this process of descend maybe he would see that the body he's been ignoring for decades, actually has a need, that sex is normal and sacred, not something ugly to be ashamed and repressed.

Matt Kahn talks a lot about that, the body is on the journey, not the consciousness. Now with all this ascension we get to see ugly things like the Dalai Lama asking to have his tongue sucked by a child IN PUBLIC, so you imagine his inner turmoil that he can't even contain himself in front of the cameras. I can't imagine what is not being recorded.

[Jodistrict]

People evaluating the video should first ask themselves how much of their interpretations are actually projection from their own impure minds.  Especially, if you have any emotional charge.  And if you are not familiar with the culture and have not interviewed the child.   You should also become familiar with the McMartin preschool trial.  This was a huge case in the 1980s where day care sitters where charged with sexual abuse.  It created a massive hysteria in America resulting in bizarre allegations, and the trial which lasted several years ultimately resulted in no convictions.  But many now believe they were innocent.  America is a toxic culture with regards to sexuality.  The really dangerous tongues are the ones that wag. 

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

Edited April 13, 2023 by Jodistrict

[Danioover9000]

@Jodistrict

7 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

People evaluating the video should first ask themselves how much of their interpretations are actually projection from their own impure minds.  Especially, if you have any emotional charge.  And if you are not familiar with the culture and have not interviewed the child.   You should also become familiar with the McMartin preschool trial.  This was a huge case in the 1980s where day care sitters where charged with sexual abuse.  It created a massive hysteria in America resulting in bizarre allegations, and the trial which lasted several years ultimately resulted in no convictions.  But many now believe they were innocent.  America is a toxic culture with regards to sexuality.  The really dangerous tongues are the ones that wag. 

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

   I was going to share this one, this one is wild. It's so lucky that nobody got killed over this. This is what we're dealing with here, overreaction and mass hysteria is the real evil.

[Jwayne]

31 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

People evaluating the video should first ask themselves how much of their interpretations are actually projection from their own impure minds.  Especially, if you have any emotional charge.  And if you are not familiar with the culture and have not interviewed the child.   You should also become familiar with the McMartin preschool trial.  This was a huge case in the 1980s where day care sitters where charged with sexual abuse.  It created a massive hysteria in America resulting in bizarre allegations, and the trial which lasted several years ultimately resulted in no convictions.  But many now believe they were innocent.  America is a toxic culture with regards to sexuality.  The really dangerous tongues are the ones that wag. 

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

Maybe the Dalai Lama should have sought consent before making intimate advances.

"Would you like to kiss my mouth?"

"Would you like to suck on my tongue?"

Instead he leveraged his authority over a powerless child without asking (or caring) about the kid's opinion, or the kid's guardians/parents opinions.

He could have asked the parents, "Will it be okay if I make a sexually suggestive joke on-camera with your son? I want to ask him to suck my tongue and then see if he will comply and really do it, or not."

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Jwayne