Question regarding objective reality

[Harsh Bagdia]

2 hours ago, davecraw said:

 

2 hours ago, davecraw said:

Do you think my post exists beyond your experience? 

Why or why not?

Yes I know that it does exist in potential/possibility.

How? I can choose to revisit this post tomorrow and also it already exists within mind of those who are and will be reading this. 

Why? it is a strange thing to answer why. even then if I want to answer it, it goes like this-

Because everything exists. Whatever we can imagine exists. Non-existence also exists as a concept within existence. 

When people say that physical reality doesn't exist, what they mean is - physical reality is not what we think it is. It is not a dumb dead machine which somehow just popped up and then living beings arose in that. 

It is true only till the point you believe it to be true.

Actually Reality is mental phenomenon. It is alive, intelligent, mysterious. 

So it is not that things don't exist apart from your experience, it's that "things" are actually different flavors of consciousness. 

Was the answer somehow helpful?

Do you or anyone has to ask about it or add to it?

Thanks. 

 

[BlueOak]

Interpretation -> Everything goes through your mind -> Nothing you've ever experienced hasn't gone through your mind -> All that exists is in your mind. -> You are always reacting to yourself.

There will never be an experience you have that isn't in your own mind.

I agree that I do occasionally get pulled back to this. Because I too want to see the process of creating reality more clearly, to see there is no separation. But the process is the plant growing, this thread getting new posts, or whatever feeling and interpretation is now occurring inside of you/us reading this. Helpful synchronicities and things breaking down to the point I can't ignore reality are two ways I also experience my own creation as an example, created by me for me.

Maybe if we set our intent to see the process of creating reality more clearly we will?

[davecraw]

32 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What does it mean for a tree to make a sound if you don't hear it?  You can hand wave it off and say it is just beyond our experience and we cant know...but this is false - and just a hand wave...you can actually directly discover that this is false and a thought to mask what is really going on.   What if your consciousness was all there is?  Could it EVEN be possible?  So... again...the ground outside your door - outside of your perception.   How can it exist without you thinking about it right now?  These are things you have to instinctively intuit are wrong with materialism.  If you don't intuit it there is pretty much no helping you out of materialism.  Only maybe a ton of drugs.  

Do you think you typed this post? If so why? If not then who did? By this post I mean the one with this question typed by the user with the username davecraw.

Edited April 9, 2023 by davecraw

[Moksha]

15 hours ago, davecraw said:

What do you mean by expression? Why do you equate me with what I'm expressing (this post). I am not my post as far as I can tell. I claim that becuase my post doesn't type itself like I do.

Expression is the imagination of the absolute. It is what it does to experience phenomena, and the apparent losing and realization of itself within the dream.

The relative you typing a post on a forum on a planet in the cosmos is an infinitesimal example of this expression.

[OldManCorcoran]

15 hours ago, davecraw said:

Do you think you typed this post? If so why? If not then who did? By this post I mean the one with this question typed by the user with the username davecraw.

Lol forget that trash...

If a falling tree makes a sound, the sound exists with or without anyone.

Consider this very hard... Imagine there's nothing, there's a big bang and there's a world made of matter.

But what if, instead of there being a bang and matter comes into existence, what if instead there was a bang and it just so happened that *that* universe was made of qualia. So imagine BANG then the color purple. There are no living creatures or matter or anything, the universe that big bang bangs out is made of qualia only... Consider very hard... Do you see that in order for the qualia to exist at all, it must SEEM to be perceived. Because purple is an object of perception. Whether there exists anyone or not, you can't remove perceiving from purple because perceiving is literally what it is.

That is how reality is made. Existence itself can exist as perceptions and when there are perceptions, they MUST seem to be perceived because they are perceptions. Even if there exists nobody and nothing to perceive them. Existence can exist as matter which is unobserved in galaxies light years away. There is no categorical difference between perception objects and material objects.

Consciousness is not a process or a thing. It's a humanized word and should probably not ever be used, it's too closely tied to the concept of perception. Which obscures the fact that consciousness is another word for existence.