Why have most Americans not demanded the US government to reduce economic inequality?

[Hardkill]

Over past several years, a sizable amount of Americans have become more and more angry about not being paid as much as they deserve and not being able to afford good housing, good education, and access to healthcare and necessary prescription drugs for themselves and their families.

Yet, most Americans have not been seriously demanded the government to demand for more government policies that would greatly reduce the unjust economic inequality in our country.

Here's a good article why most Americans haven't been angry enough to in this country even though:

https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Pathways_Presidential_Anger.pdf

Is there any hope that one day the liberals and progressives will ever be able to reverse all of this economic inequality in our country in any of our lifetimes?

Edited April 8, 2023 by Hardkill

[Bobby_2021]

Normies are not visionaries. They can't see the problem with the system unless they feel the pain real hard. Like really fucking hard.

If you argue for taxation of billionaires, then some weirdos will come and make weird arguments for why that's unnecessary.

So I stopped making a fuss about it. These normies can easily make a change if they make a sustained effort. But as soon as they get organised in that manner they will sway off track with some quick buck given to them by government or get deluded into believing that they are slaves.

The masses have to feel pain, more of it. That's the only way they will learn. That's why I stopped arguing for progressive politics. People are not seeing two weeks into the future. Their development is stunted beyond hope. Let them suffer.

In the mean time, you should make yourself safe from such hardships and spread the message advocating for change in the most conscious and dispassionate manner. 

[Bobby_2021]

5 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Is there any hope that one day the liberals and progressives will ever be able to reverse all of this economic inequality in our country in any of our lifetimes?

You have to make peace with the fact that society, atleast the US will take another 50 years to reach the developmental level of progressive politics, if not more.

They need to go through a lot of pain to reach that.

We can only hope that AI will accelerate that pain so that they may advocate for change. 

[mr_engineer]

@Hardkill It's because they dream of being rich one day and getting to the other side of this table. And, once they're there, they will want the government to let them be at peace. And not trouble them because other people made choices that make them poor. 

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Normies are not visionaries. They can't see the problem with the system unless they feel the pain real hard. Like really fucking hard.

If you argue for taxation of billionaires, then some weirdos will come and make weird arguments for why that's unnecessary.

So I stopped making a fuss about it. These normies can easily make a change if they make a sustained effort. But as soon as they get organised in that manner they will sway off track with some quick buck given to them by government or get deluded into believing that they are slaves.

The masses have to feel pain, more of it. That's the only way they will learn. That's why I stopped arguing for progressive politics. People are not seeing two weeks into the future. Their development is stunted beyond hope. Let them suffer.

In the mean time, you should make yourself safe from such hardships and spread the message advocating for change in the most conscious and dispassionate manner. 

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You have to make peace with the fact that society, atleast the US will take another 50 years to reach the developmental level of progressive politics, if not more.

They need to go through a lot of pain to reach that.

We can only hope that AI will accelerate that pain so that they may advocate for change. 

But aren't most Americans suffering from this crisis of economic inequality?

Also, if normies don't care about changing the system then why did Obama successfully sell people on the idea that he would bring major hope and change for everyone in America by dramatically changing the entire system for the betterment of all Americans? 

Or have the solid majority of Americans actually been okay with the status quo of our society?

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Hardkill

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

But aren't most Americans suffering from this crisis of economic inequality?

Also, if normies don't care about changing the system then why did Obama successfully sell people on the idea that he would bring major hope and change for everyone in America by dramatically changing the entire system for the betterment of all Americans? 

Or have the solid majority of Americans actually been okay with the status quo of our society?

 

Preach for change, but never change things too much is the playbook of every master level Machiavellian politician. 

"45: Preach the need to change, but never reform too much at once. If change is necessary, make it feel like a gentle improvement on the past."

Law 45, from 48 laws of power. 

The normies dread change but they are in love the idea of change. You can only sell the idea of hope and change.

They are dogmatic af when it comes to making real changes. 

Especially for progressives for eg who always cry for affordable housing, but bribes the local govt bodies for constructing houses in the least efficient manner so as to keep the rent high, in their own backyard.

1. Time is the only solution here. You can merely aid in it movement by advocating for policies. Get rich, and advocate for policies for the greater good.

2. A lot of these old pathetic boomer politicians has to die off. There is no other solution.

I really wish the human lifespan was capped at 60, or atleast politicians must be forced to retire at 60. That would mean that we would make progress much faster and shed there conservative boomer ideas faster.

But for our misfortune, these idiots are here to stay with us for a lot of time. And they are the ones getting in the way of the progress. Progressives included. 

[Nilsi]

How would that work in practice?

You would have to take away all property rights to level the playing field - it's almost like that has been tried somewhere before...

[Bobby_2021]

19 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

How would that work in practice?

You would have to take away all property rights to level the playing field - it's almost like that has been tried somewhere before...

Social democracy is functional with democratic values and property rights. Refer to Scandinavia/Northern Europe for policy success. 

It's just that government offers a safety net for dudes like you and not for just multi billion dollar corporations like mid/late stage capitalism. 

[Nilsi]

48 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Social democracy is functional with democratic values and property rights. Refer to Scandinavia/Northern Europe for policy success. 

It's just that government offers a safety net for dudes like you and not for just multi billion dollar corporations like mid/late stage capitalism. 

Then I have some news for you: there is massive economic inequality in northern Europe.

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, Nilsi said:

Then I have some news for you: there is massive economic inequality in northern Europe.

Inequality of outcomes isn't a problem. This will always remain as long as capitalism is there, which isn't a serious problem. 

The problem is inequality of opportunities and basic living standards. This is the inequality we should seek to eliminate first. 

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

20 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Over past several years, a sizable amount of Americans have become more and more angry about not being paid as much as they deserve and not being able to afford good housing, good education, and access to healthcare and necessary prescription drugs for themselves and their families.

Yet, most Americans have not been seriously demanded the government to demand for more government policies that would greatly reduce the unjust economic inequality in our country.

Here's a good article why most Americans haven't been angry enough to in this country even though:

https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Pathways_Presidential_Anger.pdf

Is there any hope that one day the liberals and progressives will ever be able to reverse all of this economic inequality in our country in any of our lifetimes?

   A few intuitional speculations:

1. Lower to lower-middle class Americans are not ready, fear change and fear losing their lower class home environment and living standards if they demand economic inequality and flattening the hierarchies too much. Believe it or not, their minds already identify as poor, are attached to their circumstances and don't want to kill off their current lives for a life that might just be a dream.

2. Obviously the upper class and upper-middle class do not want to lose their comfy home environments and current living standards, as the perceived lose of goods, luxuries, and even basic material needs may plunge them into lower class living standards. Again, their minds are attached to self identifying as rich, and perceived lose of their fame, fortunes, high status and if they have, celebrity status, to them feels like a net negative lose so they continue and maintain their social standing.

3. There's a general lack off, and lower quality education and knowledge despite the existence of the internet, libraries other sources of diverse and good quality second hand knowledge, nor is there enough incentives to learn and diversify your information intake. A general lack of knowing that Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive biases and moral development, personality types and traits and other psychological modals, even books or videos about spirituality and consciousness, and other things from personal to national and cultural, plus a general lack of worldly history, leads to most people being ignorant, hateful and evil by default, suffering from scarcity mindset without knowing any other alternative.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   A few intuitional speculations:

1. Lower to lower-middle class Americans are not ready, fear change and fear losing their lower class home environment and living standards if they demand economic inequality and flattening the hierarchies too much. Believe it or not, their minds already identify as poor, are attached to their circumstances and don't want to kill off their current lives for a life that might just be a dream.

2. Obviously the upper class and upper-middle class do not want to lose their comfy home environments and current living standards, as the perceived lose of goods, luxuries, and even basic material needs may plunge them into lower class living standards. Again, their minds are attached to self identifying as rich, and perceived lose of their fame, fortunes, high status and if they have, celebrity status, to them feels like a net negative lose so they continue and maintain their social standing.

3. There's a general lack off, and lower quality education and knowledge despite the existence of the internet, libraries other sources of diverse and good quality second hand knowledge, nor is there enough incentives to learn and diversify your information intake. A general lack of knowing that Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive biases and moral development, personality types and traits and other psychological modals, even books or videos about spirituality and consciousness, and other things from personal to national and cultural, plus a general lack of worldly history, leads to most people being ignorant, hateful and evil by default, suffering from scarcity mindset without knowing any other alternative.

 

11 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Preach for change, but never change things too much is the playbook of every master level Machiavellian politician. 

"45: Preach the need to change, but never reform too much at once. If change is necessary, make it feel like a gentle improvement on the past."

Law 45, from 48 laws of power. 

The normies dread change but they are in love the idea of change. You can only sell the idea of hope and change.

They are dogmatic af when it comes to making real changes. 

Especially for progressives for eg who always cry for affordable housing, but bribes the local govt bodies for constructing houses in the least efficient manner so as to keep the rent high, in their own backyard.

1. Time is the only solution here. You can merely aid in it movement by advocating for policies. Get rich, and advocate for policies for the greater good.

2. A lot of these old pathetic boomer politicians has to die off. There is no other solution.

I really wish the human lifespan was capped at 60, or atleast politicians must be forced to retire at 60. That would mean that we would make progress much faster and shed there conservative boomer ideas faster.

But for our misfortune, these idiots are here to stay with us for a lot of time. And they are the ones getting in the way of the progress. Progressives included. 

A lot of what you guys say are true, but then why did a lot black people, brown people, working class, and poor people say that felt let down by Obama not having fulfilled as many of the grand promises he made on dramatically changing their lives for the better? 

In fact, why do many people in America say they have gotten sick and tired of all politicians always letting them down? 

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Hardkill

[Tanz]

If they create a form of socialism, then it will be harder for an individual to acquire wealth and make a difference. Democracy will he harder because the wealthy will have less competition.  If you keep things the same, then there will be a big gap between rich and poor this will and has undermined democracy.  

These problems are rooted beyond systems that come from man, rather something more fundamental in creation.  All you have to do is walk down the street and count how many good-looking women and men you see.

Edited April 10, 2023 by Tanz

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, Hardkill said:

 

A lot of what you guys say are true, but then why did a lot black people, brown people, working class, and poor people say that felt let down by Obama not having fulfilled as many of the grand promises he made on dramatically changing their lives for the better? 

In fact, why do many people in America say they have gotten sick and tired of all politicians always letting them down? 

 

In a democracy, you always have an "other" party to blame. So no one is really responsible for anything.