Has anyone know Why Ibogaine works so well for opiate addiction?

[Javfly33]

So I´ve discovered that of all the drugs I´ve tried, opiates definitely hit the 'key' in the sense that they 'erase' my trauma type of thoughts like no other drug. I finally feel fucking normal and with no 'karma' when I take them. Fortunately I don't have any problem or addiction with them, since one of the downsides of them its that they block higher sensitivity and perception so you can't really feel the highest emotions and states of consciousness of reality. After a while, particularly I find them just boring and wouldn't be on them as a habit.

However,I wonder if I should do a trip with ibogaine, even though I don't have an addiction, it seems opiates fit the piece of the puzzle of my trauma so maybe taking a psychedelic that apparently 'heals' people with addiction to opiates could also heal my trauma. What do you think? I´m kind of tired of trying to heal my shit with psychedelics and I was lately on a 100% sober path with straight meditation and yoga. It's definitely working for me on the 'transcendence' part. I am getting to incredible states of consciousness which I could never have believed they were possible with sober methods. But I´m finding that they are not solving the trauma. I still get triggered and it's still there. Maybe I get triggered 70% less and life is way more stable, but I still find they are not solving it.

Has anyone tried Ibogaine in this sub?? I never see people talking about it in trip repots.

 

[Nilsi]

Sounds sketchy.

I would stick to psychedelics, if I were you.

[Thought Art]

@Javfly33 Well, Opiates are pain killers. They aren't helping your developing just numbing the pain.

[The0Self]

18 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Sounds sketchy.

I would stick to psychedelics, if I were you.

Ibogaine is one of the strongest psychedelics. It's also a dissociative and a deliriant though, so I wouldn't take a very high dose.

@Javfly33 IIRC it actually alters the opioid receptor in some way -- some kind of semi-permanent change like that. Search google with "ncbi ibogaine opioid receptor" for studies or leads on the exact mechanism.

I've yet to try ibogaine but it's definitely on my to-do list.

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, The0Self said:

Ibogaine is one of the strongest psychedelics. It's also a dissociative and a deliriant though, so I wouldn't take a very high dose.

I was referring to the "I love doing opiates, but Im totally not gonna get addicted to them" part as sketchy.

[OBEler]

I read somewhere ibogain resets some receptors responsible for Addiction. 

[M A J I]

Iboga is like a quantum defrag, unlike most other psychedelics.

It seems to touch upon where others do not go as deeply.

While other psychedelics take us higher, Iboga takes us deeper, being a root itself, to the root-cause of our trauma, disorder, illness.

Hence why you cannot move in higher doses.

Edited April 8, 2023 by M A J I

[Davino]

Iboga can kill you. Just wanted to mention that, so be careful with the dose. Stay safe and use drugs smartly.

[Federico del pueblo]

@Javfly33 Ibogaine and the other alkaloids in Iboga root bark bind to many different receptors in the brain, including the opioid receptors. So then the opioid receptors are occupied by ibogaine amongst others, so you don't feel the addictive cravings for opioids anymore. Then, within a real iboga trip, the medicine will also show you the root cause of your addiction, the underlying traumas and conditioning and will often also give you a chance to directly work on it too. Your opioid receptors stay occupied for weeks after the trip, I think mostly by nor-ibogaine which your body makes out of the ibogaine.

It's not safe to do this by yourself on a high dose though. You need at least a sitter or do it within some iboga ceremony.

 

 

 

[M A J I]

A friend of mine wrote a nice trip report here a few years back on his 10g experience of Iboga root bark https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159647650719409&set=gm.2536191743312740

[Javfly33]

23 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Javfly33 Well, Opiates are pain killers. They aren't helping your developing just numbing the pain.

It's more complex than that but yeah overall of course they are not a solution.

I think the issue with iboga is finding a legit clinic and not take it from just anybody. Since I´ve heard it can be risky for the heart.

@Nilsi I think you are confusing physical or chemical dependence with 'addiction'.

Having said that, I don't have a physical dependence to opiates. But even if I did, I wouldn't call myself 'addicted' to them. Ironically people only get 'addicted' to things they like. Funny the self-deception of humans. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Javfly33

[Thought Art]

How are opiates more complex?

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, M A J I said:

A friend of mine wrote a nice trip report here a few years back on his 10g experience of Iboga root bark https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159647650719409&set=gm.2536191743312740

Very interesting. Do you know if that guy kept using the substance?

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

How are opiates more complex?

Well, for starters there is no such a thing as 'opiate effect'. There are substances that hit the opiate receptors but by no means you just can put all of them in one single basket. 

Secondly, some opiates do not work the same as you would imagine, maybe you think they work as benzos or alcohol in the way that they just suppress your emotions and numb you down. Not necessarily, with some of them I had experienced emotions, not  all them neccesarily numb you or put you 'down'. 

Not an 'apology' of opiates though. But there's a lot of misinformation/assumption with this class of drugs. 

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Javfly33

[M A J I]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Very interesting. Do you know if that guy kept using the substance?

He has used it maybe 2 - 3 times after that, its one of those substances you really can't abuse much because its so impactful. He has changed so much after I introduced him to meditation, nature therapies and natural medicines.

[The0Self]

On 4/8/2023 at 3:15 AM, M A J I said:

Hence why you cannot move in higher doses.

It’s also anticholinergic, so muscle contraction is very inhibited.

[Javfly33]

On 08/04/2023 at 9:15 AM, M A J I said:

Iboga is like a quantum defrag, unlike most other psychedelics.

It seems to touch upon where others do not go as deeply.

While other psychedelics take us higher, Iboga takes us deeper, being a root itself, to the root-cause of our trauma, disorder, illness.

Hence why you cannot move in higher doses.

Interesting. Have you tried it?

Man I´m really getting inclined to try Iboga, taking into consideration lately I´m into all African stuff since my energetic awakening

[M A J I]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Interesting. Have you tried it?

Man I´m really getting inclined to try Iboga, taking into consideration lately I´m into all African stuff since my energetic awakening

Iboga root bark yes few times, deep healing, very trance-like experience, less visual, more inward. Also have used 1 of these bottles. Good medicine, works in the background, seems to help with mental and emotional awareness, triggers, wounds ect.. I have not dabbled too deeply into it but was nice while it lasted.

[Federico del pueblo]

On 11.4.2023 at 6:11 AM, M A J I said:

Iboga root bark yes few times, deep healing, very trance-like experience, less visual, more inward. Also have used 1 of these bottles. Good medicine, works in the background, seems to help with mental and emotional awareness, triggers, wounds ect.. I have not dabbled too deeply into it but was nice while it lasted.

Did you take it in a retreat? How was it and can you recommend a specific retreat (if you know any)?

I really think Iboga (on high doses) is one of the few substances one shouldn't take alone.

What do you mean by these bottles, like a liquid with the alkaloids?

[M A J I]

20 hours ago, Federico del pueblo said:

Did you take it in a retreat? How was it and can you recommend a specific retreat (if you know any)?

I really think Iboga (on high doses) is one of the few substances one shouldn't take alone.

What do you mean by these bottles, like a liquid with the alkaloids?

No I don't partake in retreats nor need them unless I get paid to host them or co-create with others, I am Self-Realized.

I was born Alone, I will leave this body alone, we are always alone, ultimately.

Only when in the confines of MIND we experience challenges and struggles, fears, loneliness ect...

When you conquer the mind you can conquer anything, any substance, for you are beyond substance, you are creating it.

Self is the Dominating force of creation. Once  fully established within the Self, everything else is effortless.