How is Developmental Psychology privileged over Postmodernism?

[Nilsi]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Yes: pragmatism. To act like all perspectives are equal can in some ways be crippling. You don't actually structure your life that way, your mind doesn't work that way. You have preferences, and the postmodern mind can either consciously accept that, or it can pretend like it doesn't accept that (which of course would lead to some amount of inner conflict).

Of course. I'm not denying that. I'm very pragmatically oriented myself. 

That begs the question of what you pragmatically orient yourself toward.

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Could you elaborate?

What worldview would a cerebral psychology student construct, if not this one? 

There is no reason to be as invested in academic psychology as you are, unless you think there is something worthwhile to explore and discover there.

If you were interested in instrumental psychology, you wouldn't be in academia and if you were interested in the philosophy, you wouldn't care about boring research papers. 

And developmental psychology is what's left for a guy like you to put his chips in.

[Nilsi]

2 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

Look it up  they're not magic words, just regular ol' words.

If you can't properly state your point, I won't bother trying to interpret some vague statement like the one you made.

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi @Nilsi

6 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Of course. I'm not denying that. I'm very pragmatically oriented myself. 

That begs the question of what you pragmatically orient yourself toward.

What worldview would a cerebral psychology student construct, if not this one? 

There is no reason to be as invested in academic psychology as you are, unless you think there is something worthwhile to explore and discover there.

If you were interested in instrumental psychology, you wouldn't be in academia and if you were interested in the philosophy, you wouldn't care about boring research papers. 

And developmental psychology is what's left for a guy like you to put his chips in.

 

7 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Of course. I'm not denying that. I'm very pragmatically oriented myself. 

That begs the question of what you pragmatically orient yourself toward.

What worldview would a cerebral psychology student construct, if not this one? 

There is no reason to be as invested in academic psychology as you are, unless you think there is something worthwhile to explore and discover there.

If you were interested in instrumental psychology, you wouldn't be in academia and if you were interested in the philosophy, you wouldn't care about boring research papers. 

And developmental psychology is what's left for a guy like you to put his chips in.

   So, what's your issue with developmental psychology and postmodernism?

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi @Nilsi

7 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

If you can't properly state your point, I won't bother trying to interpret some vague statement like the one you made.

 

7 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

If you can't properly state your point, I won't bother trying to interpret some vague statement like the one you made.

   If you were a pragmatist, why are you pragmatically orientated towards postmodernism, whilst denying the practicality of developmental psychology?

   What is the question begging?

   Why is there no reason to be invested in Academic psychology? 

   If I'm interested in burgers, I wouldn't be in the kitchen, and if I'm interested in cuisines I wouldn't read recipe books. Why did you assume that interest negates pursuit in context  are mutually incompatible in cause and effect? 

[Nilsi]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nilsi @Nilsi

 

   So, what's your issue with developmental psychology and postmodernism?

I have no issue with any of this.

I'm just trying to parse what's true from what's not.

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

I have no issue with any of this.

I'm just trying to parse what's true from what's not.

   Okay. To me, developmental psychology is like escalating types of plates, with cuisine in each, like breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and stuff. Post modernism is the desserts, and sometimes what, when, where, and how you eat a meal will be context sensitive. Each meal has it's proper place in GOD's grand scheme.

 

[Carl-Richard]

On 6.4.2023 at 11:58 PM, Nilsi said:

That begs the question of what you pragmatically orient yourself toward.

Your preferences.

 

On 6.4.2023 at 11:58 PM, Nilsi said:

What worldview would a cerebral psychology student construct, if not this one? 

There is no reason to be as invested in academic psychology as you are, unless you think there is something worthwhile to explore and discover there.

If you were interested in instrumental psychology, you wouldn't be in academia and if you were interested in the philosophy, you wouldn't care about boring research papers. 

And developmental psychology is what's left for a guy like you to put his chips in.

I might be pursuing academic psychology as an area of specialization, but it's not like I'm placing it as my baseline epistemology. It's one of many interests. But it's true that I can't rationalize my interests by some absolute metric. But also, at some point, you have to "accept who you are" so to speak, live your life and continue moving forward. I could probably be pursuing music instead of psychology if I had made a few different choices, and my worldview would probably be very different (with a different set of biases and blindspots), but that's not where I am today.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Nilsi]

19 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Your preferences.

 

I might be pursuing academic psychology as an area of specialization, but it's not like I'm placing it as my baseline epistemology. It's one of many interests. But it's true that I can't rationalize my interests by some absolute metric. But also, at some point, you have to "accept who you are" so to speak, live your life and continue moving foward. I could probably be pursuing music instead of psychology if I had made a few different choices, and my worldview would probably be very different (with a different set of biases and blindspots), but that's not where I am today.

I don't want you to change. Accept who you are, that's great. But also accept the limits of your worldview. And for the love of God, don't pretend that it's anything more than your perspective.

As long as that's the case, I'm perfectly happy.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Nilsi

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

I don't want you to change. Accept who you are, that's great. But also accept the limits of your worldview. And for the love of God, don't pretend that it's anything more than your perspective.

As long as that's the case, I'm perfectly happy.

Mhm. What prompted you to make this thread?

[Nilsi]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Mhm. What prompted you to make this thread?

Leo's blog post about postmodernism, where he pretended, that developmental psychology is somehow above postmodernism.

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Leo's blog post about postmodernism, where he pretended, that developmental psychology is somehow above postmodernism.

   You know, you sound more and more like Lex Fridman, who I don't like. @Leo Gura's intuition of developmental psychology being more valuable than post modernism is correct. Why are you saying the opposite?

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nilsi

   You know, you sound more and more like Lex Fridman, who I don't like. @Leo Gura's intuition of developmental psychology being more valuable than post modernism is correct. Why are you saying the opposite?

What makes it "correct?"

And why don't you like Lex Fridman?

Edited April 7, 2023 by Nilsi

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

28 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What makes it "correct?"

And why don't you like Lex Fridman?

   Because throughout human history events collectively match up and align with the modals of developmental psychology. I haven't seen Post modernism survive the history test, or survive the passages of time yet. Why assume that post modernism is more superior to developmental psychology then?

   I don't like Lex Fridman because of his disingenuous integrity and choices as to who to interview or not. I know there's differences to stages of development, cognitive or moral development, personality types, states of being and other lines of life domain development and other ideologies that proliferate in one's mind, and all this may null my own critics of Lex, but it's paradoxical to a good moral character. For example, Lex Fridman, despite whatever integrity he has, is okay interviewing Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and Kanye West and Destiny, characters that had some points in the past have been blatant with their neurosis and narcissism, flagrant with their Racism(less with Joe Rogan) and anti Semitism(mainly Kanye West), and is okay interviewing Destiny who may be a sociopathic Bi-sexual person who may be psychologically manipulating his sexual partners and abusing power dynamics of his internet position, and interview these people mainly for clout, clicks, views and profits of increased attention and due to appearing so challenging and empathetic and all that optics game. However, he then turns around and refuses to interview people who may challenge him fearlessly, like Mr. Girl and a few others with actually deep insights. It's this cold, calculated biased decision that puts me off him. Also, this is my intuition, but I get Jimmy Savile/Jeffery Epstein vibes from him, it's like a psychic feeling of danger, can't logically explain it, certain people give evil vibes, and Lex is unfortunately one of them, so fuck Lex Fridman and his phony idiot compassion campaign. This is my rant like intuitive speculation of him, which could be wrong, but I'd rather be wrong in this case and assume my intuition is inaccurate or false than to find out later how exactly right I was for distrusting Lex Fridman's moral integrity.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nilsi

   Because throughout human history events collectively match up and align with the modals of developmental psychology. I haven't seen Post modernism survive the history test, or survive the passages of time yet. Why assume that post modernism is more superior to developmental psychology then?

   I don't like Lex Fridman because of his disingenuous integrity and choices as to who to interview or not. I know there's differences to stages of development, cognitive or moral development, personality types, states of being and other lines of life domain development and other ideologies that proliferate in one's mind, and all this may null my own critics of Lex, but it's paradoxical to a good moral character. For example, Lex Fridman, despite whatever integrity he has, is okay interviewing Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and Kanye West and Destiny, characters that had some points in the past have been blatant with their neurosis and narcissism, flagrant with their Racism(less with Joe Rogan) and anti Semitism(mainly Kanye West), and is okay interviewing Destiny who may be a sociopathic Bi-sexual person who may be psychologically manipulating his sexual partners and abusing power dynamics of his internet position, but then turns around and refuses to interview people who may challenge him fearlessly, like Mr. Girl and others. It's this cold, calculated biased decision that puts me off him. Also, this is my intuition, but I get Jimmy Savile/Jeffery Epstein vibes from him, it's like a psychic feeling of danger, can't logically explain it, certain people give evil vibes, and Lex is unfortunately one of them, so fuck Lex Fridman and his phony idiot compassion campaign.

Maybe you shouldn't be so judgemental...

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

23 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Maybe you shouldn't be so judgemental...

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

   I'm doing just that, entertaining my thoughts and discarding them in my mind, as I bash around Lex Fridman's character. I even made artwork about him, and did several sessions of making a diss track towards him.

   Again, why do you assume post modernism is superior to developmental psychology?

Edited April 7, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nilsi

 Again, why do you assume post modernism is superior to developmental psychology?

Why do you assume, I assume that?

[Carl-Richard]

15 hours ago, Nilsi said:

Leo's blog post about postmodernism, where he pretended, that developmental psychology is somehow above postmodernism.

Ah, I didn't read it. He did say that it was a bit complicated, and I could understand his point if you consider the thing I said about pragmatism.

What postmodernism is really threatening is the idea of realist truth claims: "this is the actual truth, independent of perspective". On the other hand, if you're a pragmatist, you simply use models to give you an understanding of the world, and your truth claims are merely tools to that end. You don't have to claim anything about the world that is independent of perspective.

So the mistake that can happen when you use postmodernism to dismiss realist truth claims about say developmental psychology (which happens), is to fail to make the distinction that this doesn't apply to pragmatist truth claims about developmental psychology, and instead of merely being skeptical towards realist truth claims, you wholesale reject entertaining the models at all.

So I think this is the possible trap in postmodernism that Leo could be alluding to: getting stuck in radical skepticism without moving on to pragmatism. It's not that developmental psychology is "above" postmodernism, but rather that pragmatism somewhat "escapes" the critiques of postmodernism, and that it's possible to approach developmental psychology from that perspective.

Edited April 8, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

Ultimately it's all relative. But some worldviews and models are better at explaining human behavior than others.

Developmental psychology is better at explaining human behavior than post-modernism. Of course a post-modernist would disagree. But nothing says we have to care about their disagreement.

Post-modernism wants to say that all perspectives are equal. But that just isn't the case. Some are more accurate.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Leo Gura

[r0ckyreed]

Post-Modernism is wrong because they deny the Objective/Absolute domain. They forget that Reality is Objective and not merely subjective.

The Earth is a particular shape right now regardless of our feelings and beliefs about it. There are true and false answers relative to our state of consciousness. That is what the Post-Modernists and subjectivists get wrong.

Edited April 7, 2023 by r0ckyreed

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ultimately it's all relative. But some worldviews and models are better at explaining human behavior than others.

Developmental psychology is better at explaining human behavior than post-modernism. Of course a post-modernist would disagree. But nothing says we have to care about their disagreement.

Post-modernism wants to say that all perspectives are equal. But that just isn't the case. Some are more accurate.

   True! Who cares what Post Modernists disagree about realist truths of developmental psychology, when these realist practical truths have a net positive gain for human development?