True AI art

[erik8lrl]

Using AI to make human art is cool, but what if we let AI make AI art? Without human bias or perception. 

 

[Jwayne]

1 minute ago, erik8lrl said:

Using AI to make human art is cool, but what if we let AI make AI art? Without human bias or perception. 

 

How will it know what 'art' is? And what guarantees what it generates will be recognized by humans as 'art'? It must be fed information to perform a task. That necessarily means there is human bias built-in to the first step.

[erik8lrl]

@Jwayne Exactly. The meaning of art is defined by humans. The interesting aspect of the first example in the video is that rather than generating art specifically through prompts like in Midjourney or Stable Diffusion, the artist is creating a system for the AI to generate art on its own, without prompting. Of course, it's still trained on human art, but without human input for output. The AI is making abstractions on its own.

You could say that the algorithm for the system is part of human bias, but I think it seems (or at least likely) that the system is just random. 

When the data is so large and general, and the system is arbitrary, the result ends up being chaotic. But we humans can still give meaning to it, defining the whole concept as art. Which it is. 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by erik8lrl

[Scholar]

On 5.4.2023 at 7:29 AM, erik8lrl said:

@Jwayne Exactly. The meaning of art is defined by humans. The interesting aspect of the first example in the video is that rather than generating art specifically through prompts like in Midjourney or Stable Diffusion, the artist is creating a system for the AI to generate art on its own, without prompting. Of course, it's still trained on human art, but without human input for output. The AI is making abstractions on its own.

You could say that the algorithm for the system is part of human bias, but I think it seems (or at least likely) that the system is just random. 

When the data is so large and general, and the system is arbitrary, the result ends up being chaotic. But we humans can still give meaning to it, defining the whole concept as art. Which it is. 

 

The meaning of art is not defined by humans, it's defined by human nature, and further, by God itself.

Art is subjective, but subjectivity is reality. It's not arbitrary, and it's not an opinion. There is a reality to what art is, and you can discover that reality, beyond your opinions and notions about it.

AI's are not generating art, they are generating images. Art is not in the eye of the beholder.

[thepixelmonk]

2 hours ago, Scholar said:

The meaning of art is not defined by humans, it's defined by human nature, and further, by God itself.

Art is subjective, but subjectivity is reality. It's not arbitrary, and it's not an opinion. There is a reality to what art is, and you can discover that reality, beyond your opinions and notions about it.

AI's are not generating art, they are generating images. Art is not in the eye of the beholder.

lmao

[Jwayne]

2 hours ago, Scholar said:

There is a reality to what art is, and you can discover that reality, beyond your opinions and notions about it.

Have you 'discovered that reality'? Does that make you an expert in art criticism across all cultures throughout all time?

[Scholar]

On 7.4.2023 at 4:31 AM, Jwayne said:

Have you 'discovered that reality'? Does that make you an expert in art criticism across all cultures throughout all time?

It does not make me an expert in all art criticism across all cultures throughout all time. That framing does not make sense if you understand the nature of art. Art is a process of sublation, it is an extention of Divine Self-reflection.

The process of art exists only in the consciousness which engages in the sublation of human nature in it's specific dimensions, and therefore God's nature.

 

Machine imagination is the antithesis to art, as it contains no sublation, as it is not an aspect of individuated consciousness. To think machine images are art confuses art for pretty images, rather than recognizing that the essence of art is the process of sublation.

 

The definition game of art as proposed by current post-modern notion fails to recognize that the term refers to a specific universal which is part of the condition of any conscious being. For too long we have been concerned with what we label art, so as to forget to question the metaphysical nature of what that term has always referred to.

 

Machine imagination can show to us certain patterns which can be found in the images produce by human beings who have engaged in the process of sublation.

Edited April 10, 2023 by Scholar