Michael Singer: Is he Awake or Not?

[SQAAD]

@7:46 of the video he says something like this:

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There is no way that the world is here to fix my problem. That is not why either Evolution or God has created the Heavens and Earth . If it was all random events that came together from the beginning of the Big Bang and they just evolved themselves all the way out with survival of the fittest, they didn't do it for you. And if in 6 days God created the heavens and Earth and just made the whole thing and the flood happened and Noah did his thing and all that took place it wasn't for you. It's not here for you. You are sitting inside and you are not ok & you are in a world that has nothing to do with you. It has to do with the forces of Nature. It has to do with the Laws of Cause and effect.

I am not sure exactly what he means but i think this is BS.. God created the whole universe for itself so the entire Universe is here for God.

What do you make of this statement? Can someone explain to me what it means?

Is Michael Singer awake? I have read 1 of his book. He also seems to believe in an Earth spinning in the middle of nowhere... Kinda dissapointing.

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by SQAAD

[Breakingthewall]

I think what he says may be true on a relative level. Studying and speculating about the relative is a useful and entertaining exercise. On an absolute level, there is only you and everything is within you. but you are not going to go through life saying that in response to everything, since it is useless, and from a relative point of view, false.

the relative is false from the absolute, and the absolute is false from the relative

[SQAAD]

@Breakingthewall

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 On an absolute level, there is only you and everything is within you. but you are not going to go through life saying that in response to everything, since it is useless, and from a relative point of view, false.

What do you mean it is useless?

Also, i think there is only the absolute. The relative is a construction of the ego-mind.

Edited March 25, 2023 by SQAAD

[Breakingthewall]

We live in the relative. You are a relative entity. You exist in relation with others. If anyone hits you in the face with a bat, you'll see if it's a construct of the ego mind or what. but the relative is a dream of the absolute. ultimately you are the absolute imagining the relative, but the relative is real, you can't scape of it 

[SQAAD]

@Breakingthewall

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

We live in the relative. You are a relative entity. You exist in relation with others. 

I don't know about that. 

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If anyone hits you in the face with a bat, you'll see if it's a construct of the ego mind or what. but the relative is a dream of the absolute. ultimately you are the absolute imagining the relative, but the relative is real, you can't scape of it 

Yes , i don't deny the appearances inside the Absolute.

So what do you think when Michael Singer says that the world has nothing to do with us? I don't understand. This only makes sense if the world is random without a God behind it.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

So what do you think when Michael Singer says that the world has nothing to do with us?

In my opinion, bullshit. the world is a perfect machine where each gear is in the exact place. intelligence in action

[SQAAD]

@Breakingthewall

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

In my opinion, bullshit. the world is a perfect machine where each gear is in the exact place. intelligence in action

Yes i agree.

 

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

We live in the relative. You are a relative entity. 

No. I am Pure Consciousness. I was never even born. 

(I would like a definition of the absolute vs a definition of the relative btw, i am curious because maybe i don't understand these defintions correctly).

Edited March 25, 2023 by SQAAD

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

would like a definition of the absolute vs a definition of the relative btw, i am curious because maybe i don't understand these defintions correctly)

the relative is what is not absolute, and the absolute is what is not relative ?. then if the absolute is the case, the relative does not exist, since one excludes the other, so it can be said that the relative is an appearance, it is the absolute appearing as a finite reality.

absolute is what has no opposite, no exterior. that is, you . relative is the apparent you that the absolute is imagining, which has opposite and exterior (apparent) 

and yes, you are going to die in the sense that you are going to stop being a guy with arms and legs who has a life on this planet and all that

Edited March 25, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

Michael Singer is excellent at communicating the pragmatism of spirituality. He worked in the prison system for decades, so his language is at the level that most people can understand. Set aside anything he (or anyone else) says that is conceptual and see beyond it. When he says, "it wasn't for you", he is pointing to the core reason for human suffering, which is the expectation that the cosmos should cater to your desires.

[aurum]

9 hours ago, SQAAD said:

What do you make of this statement? Can someone explain to me what it means?

 

I interpret it as a statement of surrender. Surrender of the egoic agenda and opening up to an acceptance of all things.

It’s necessary to look beyond the technical words people are using and get to the essence. Interpreting people’s words too literally is a trap. Get to the feeling.

[TheAlchemist]

He means it's not about your ego, it's not about your desires to get the world to be a certain way or to get the "outside" to match your preferences. That is outside the control of the limited sense of self and that is a reason for so much struggle. Life and the Earth and the whole infinite universe simply isn't about you and your preferences, so of course you struggle and complain when you try to get the whole magnificent universe to bend to your highly limited egoic will. 

He also speaks about You in there, and how that is the most magnificent thing there is and the ground of all being, pure consciousness, love beyond comprehension. There is no end to the depths of spiritual realization. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by TheAlchemist

[Leo Gura]

Haha, YOU ARE GOD, YOU ARE THE WORLD.

There's no one else who could enjoy Creation but yourself, since all others are your Creation.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Leo Gura

[r0ckyreed]

No character in your dream can awaken. There are no enlightened beings. 

[Moksha]

2 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

No character in your dream can awaken. There are no enlightened beings. 

You awaken to yourself within the dream. An enlightened being is the absolute perpetually aware of itself through the perspective of its character.

Beyond the dream, there is no awakening or enlightenment.

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Moksha said:

You awaken to yourself within the dream. An enlightened being is the absolute perpetually aware of itself through the perspective of its character.

To add to that, all manifestations in your field of awareness are a reflection of You. One might even say they’re not merely a reflection… but actually You!

The mistake is assuming that this realization or insight is arising from within the identified person. That’s true in a limited sense, but expand your sense of Self further and Awaken to…… YOU!

[Moksha]

3 hours ago, Yimpa said:

To add to that, all manifestations in your field of awareness are a reflection of You. One might even say they’re not merely a reflection… but actually You!

The mistake is assuming that this realization or insight is arising from within the identified person. That’s true in a limited sense, but expand your sense of Self further and Awaken to…… YOU!

Not only manifestations within the character's field of awareness, but all manifestations are an avatar of the absolute. None of the manifestations is actual, only the absolute misidentifying as such.

The true mistake is assuming that realization is real.

[Kshantivadin]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha, YOU ARE GOD, YOU ARE THE WORLD.

There's no one else who could enjoy Creation but yourself, since all others are your Creation.

 

10 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

No character in your dream can awaken. There are no enlightened beings. 

So, is this solipsism or not? Aren't there infinite beings in an infinite mind? I am confused about this. 

[Hojo]

Please you think god would ever awaken a mike?

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Moksha said:

The true mistake is assuming that realization is real.

 

[Razard86]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha, YOU ARE GOD, YOU ARE THE WORLD.

There's no one else who could enjoy Creation but yourself, since all others are your Creation.

This^^^ yall are addicted to duality. There isn't some other God. Look in the mirror in your bathroom. That is GOD.

What you are looking at in the mirror, created everything and is constantly generating it. Every single thought, desire, and action you take

IS GOD's WILL. Every single thing you are aware of right now IS GOD'S WILL. Whatever happens is God's will. 

This nonsense it's not for you is a duality. There is literally only you. The entirety of the present moment is you, and will always be you.

And that present moment is a present to itself.