A Question for Leo And Everyone About "Gay Grooming Nonsense"

[YeahIam]

@Leo Gura said that you can't groom a straight man into fucking men and that there's idiology and dogma within the subject. 

Although I acknowledge the importance of sex education, I think that in some instances it may be used as a tool for indoctrination, resulting in children making decisions that they will later regret. I didn't see Leo empathize this enough and would like to hear your opinions on the subject. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by YeahIam

[Danioover9000]

@YeahIam

4 hours ago, YeahIam said:

@Leo Gura said that you can't groom a straight man into fucking men and that there's idiology and dogma within the subject. 

Although I acknowledge the importance of sex education, I think that in some instances it may be used as a tool for indoctrination, resulting in children making decisions that they will later regret. I didn't see Leo empathize this enough and would like to hear your opinions on the subject. 

   Are you referring to this?

https://www.actualized.org/insights/gay-grooming-nonsense

[Danioover9000]

@YeahIam  I think in defense of @Leo Gura, his claim that gay grooming is nonsense is valid, as the majority of men and women are heterosexual, whilst about 20-15% of LGBTQP minorities are ideologically indoctrinated into identifying as such, and about 5-1% are actually born into those roles.

[Heart of Space]

The cultural forces grooming men into identifying as straight is one thousand times stronger.  Technically, you can groom someone into fucking the gender they're not attracted to.  Gay men have been doing it for hundreds of years.  Closeted gay men with kids are all over the place due to expectations from society and parents everywhere for their child to have the gender expression they desire.  

There are many pathways for heteronormative behavior in society though.  The idea that you could effectively groom straight men into being gay is absolutely idiotic.  Plus, they're not using the shame and fear that heteronormative society is.  

[YeahIam]

@Danioover9000

I don't quite understand the percentages you presented but I do agree that gay grooming is nowhere near where the conservatives portray it to be but also indoctrination by making a child make that big of a decision that they can't comprehend at 6 is absurdly stupid as well. 

 

@Heart of Space 

While I agree with what you said about the gay grooming idea, indoctrinating a child into taking pills and having surgeries that would cause hormonal impalances and fuck up their brain development is not a solution either. 

[Leo Gura]

The issue of young kids going trans needs to be clearly distinguished from being gay. These are not similar things.

Part of the nonsense of that video is how badly they conflate gays with trans. These are very different things.

[Danioover9000]

@YeahIam

1 hour ago, YeahIam said:

@Danioover9000

I don't quite understand the percentages you presented but I do agree that gay grooming is nowhere near where the conservatives portray it to be but also indoctrination by making a child make that big of a decision that they can't comprehend at 6 is absurdly stupid as well. 

 

@Heart of Space 

While I agree with what you said about the gay grooming idea, indoctrinating a child into taking pills and having surgeries that would cause hormonal impalances and fuck up their brain development is not a solution either. 

   Take the percentages as figurative speech from me. Who is forcing children to make a decision taking pills and hormonal treatments and sex surgery?

   If indoctrinating a child into taking pills, having surgery that may cause hormonal imbalances, and fuck up their brains is not the solution to you, what solution and justification do you have for an alternative solution to indoctrination, grooming, taking pills and surgeries that may cause hormonal imbalance, and fucking their brain development up?

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The issue of young kids going trans needs to be clearly distinguished from being gay. These are not similar things.

Part of the nonsense of that video is how badly they conflate gays with trans. These are very different things.

   While it's true that categorically speaking, trans people are different from gay people, are they both under the same bigger category of the LGBTQP minority grouping? Wouldn't that give a bit more justification for why these privileged heterosexual males/females, who are in the majority, worry that these LGBTQP minorities, in education, some teachers, potentially grooming children into falsely thinking they're in these identities when they may be experiencing gender dysphoria or some gender distortion/confusion?

[Leo Gura]

The creating of gender confusion with custom pronouns and the like IS a legitimate issue to be concerned about. But this has nothing to do with grooming kids into being gay.

What I would like to see is some broad research into how many kids these days are confused about their gender. We need to track this metric every year.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Leo Gura

[TrustTheProcess]

@Leo Gura 

 

Why are you so certain early educational/life exp related to gender identity contributes to an increase in trans people and “gender confusion” but don’t think early educational/life exp related to  sexuality contributes to an increase in gay people?

 

i think one’s educational and social environment will always play a role in shaping kids world view, brain circuitry, and even hormonal profile in the long term. 

 

 

 

 

Note: I am not against gay or trans people and advocate for their rights and inclusion within society. Just an inconsistency i noticed

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The creating of gender confusion with custom pronouns and the like IS a legitimate issue to be concerned about. But this has nothing to do with grooming kids into being gay.

What I would like to see is some broad research into how many kids these days are confused about their gender. We need to track this metric every year.

   I agree with the many creations of pronouns that strongly correlates to greater confusion with children using custom gender pronouns. I don't even know them, and apparently there's 20 someone told me of that exists so far. That's, from a practical view, is too much even for a kid to memorize, not to mention discouraging calling a boy or girl or referring to them using proper gender pronouns, I mean okay sure if it's some kid who identifies as LGBTQP or some other minority, but what about cats or dogs? What if it's casual conversation, and you talk about your friend like "Oh, Johnny's gone to pick some candies. HE'S looking forward to the party."?

   Maybe custom gender pronouns causing confusion and grooming children into being gay or trans have low connection, but would you say grooming children with a progressive/socialist worldview has more connection to the gender pronoun confusion? For example Sweden has had a government program in a few schools that teach kids not to refer using gender pronouns.

   Definitely needs more research, finding that ratio of indoctrinated ideology : being born as trans, gay or other.

[Heart of Space]

I am the gayest cuck on this forum and am an authority on gay subjects and even I do not entirely approve of medical intervention in gender confusion issues.  

I believe to resolve sexual/gender issues spiritually it takes too much work for a normal person.  Hormones can actually allow someone to live very happily.  You can legitimately be behaviorally confused when it comes to gender expression and sexual expression.  Estrogen can resolve those feelings entirely (for a feminine male).  Hormones can push you far more into one or the other (masculine or feminine).  I've taken testosterone and turned into a very unconfused heterosexual and I've had high estrogen temporarily and turned into a female.  

Hormones are king.  

Cosmetic surgeries be damned though.  I don't believe they are the answer.  

I don't know what the one hundred percent right answer is.  It's a difficult subject.  

Edited March 25, 2023 by Heart of Space

[Clabber Girl]

The confusion to me lies in how children dont have clarity on higher levels on being/understanding such as who am I? vs to whom they are attracted to instinctivley. 

attraction is more survival and the spiritual quesion... Who am I?

You can influence young impressionable children into wanting they/them pronouns in order to be seen as special. I dont think that young children would think they are special if they are gay... If you take a fat person vs healthy person and ask kids which one they would rather be they could tell you since they wouldent wanna be the overweight person instinctively. 

the question: Who am I? Is not as clear when you're a child.