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[Yimpa]

6 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I've never read the writings of a mystic that endorses this false idea, nor has it ever occurred to me. I may be mistaken, but solipsism seems to happen most often to people that have tried psychedelics. Not to say the idea can't eventually be dropped, but why perpetuate it in the first place?

And that is the beauty of reality. Ideas change, but alas we are still pointing at the same “thing”. Perhaps we are doing so at an even higher vantage point, but of course that still depends on how you look at it.

Imagine if God had to claim that a banana is the truest idea in the universe for all of eternity? I wouldn’t want anything to do with that kind of teaching… at least in the long-term.

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@Breakingthewall 

[StarStruck]

2 hours ago, Moksha said:

@Water by the River Beautiful quote from Ken Wilbur, thanks for sharing. ?

We sometimes think of the human form as a single-layered container, but it is more like a babushka doll:

It is a composite of nested forms, progressing in refinement from the gross (physical) to the subtle (mental) and finally to the supra-subtle (soul).

Each of these forms is also made of maya, but progressively brings awareness closer to its formless state. When realization goes deep, even beyond the soul, there is only pure awareness. The witness and the witnessed conflate into the absolute reality beyond both.

Kabbalah explains this very well. No need to reinvent the wheel (sepirah or chakras or whatever you may call it)

[CARDOZZO]

@Yimpa

[Moksha]

@Breakingthewall No ideas are what they point toward, but some point to the absolute more directly than others. The idea of solipsism is a poor pointer. Although also incorrect, the idea of others outside of you is still a better pointer than the idea that only you exist. At least it keeps open the way for seeing the same absolute, not only within your form, but within all forms. Sometimes a half-truth is more deceptive than blindness.

Few people go directly to the source, and few are likewise enlightened. Still, it is the best path if you are able to take it. Otherwise, find whatever method takes you inward, without calcifying the concept of perspective.

@Yimpa You would if you were God within the person using the banana as a pointer 

@StarStruck Ah yes, the mystic seeing beyond the trappings of Judaism to the glittering truth within its depths. ?

[Razard86]

13 minutes ago, Moksha said:

@Breakingthewall No ideas are what they point toward, but some point to the absolute more directly than others. The idea of solipsism is a poor pointer. Although also incorrect, the idea of others outside of you is still a better pointer than the idea that only you exist. At least it keeps open the way for seeing the same absolute, not only within your form, but within all forms. Sometimes a half-truth is more deceptive than blindness.

Few people go directly to the source, and few are likewise enlightened. Still, it is the best path if you are able to take it. Otherwise, find whatever method takes you inward, without calcifying the concept of perspective.

@Yimpa You would if you were God within the person using the banana as a pointer 

@StarStruck Ah yes, the mystic seeing beyond the trappings of Judaism to the glittering truth within its depths. ?

Sigh and I had high hopes for you but no exception. I guess you aren't awake after all. Oh well.

Absolute Solipsism is absolutely true. Anyone that says different is not awake. Oh well. It is what it is.

[Yimpa]

20 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Absolute Solipsism is absolutely true. Anyone that says different is not awake. Oh well. It is what it is.

It may be S tier, but it ain’t the only Truth.

[Moksha]

24 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Sigh and I had high hopes for you but no exception. I guess you aren't awake after all. Oh well.

Absolute Solipsism is absolutely true. Anyone that says different is not awake. Oh well. It is what it is.

Who did you have high hopes for again?

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, Moksha said:

The idea of solipsism is a poor pointer

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

 

It's not a pointer, it's a key. it can make you slide from the relative to the absolute. in the end the pointers are nothing. the truth is, and that is it, nothing can define it because it is not defined, it is infinite. the idea of others is a barrier that does not allow the infinity to manifest as infinite. 

[Razard86]

18 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

It may be S tier, but it ain’t the only Truth.

It's the only Truth. There is only One perspective. There are no other bubbles of perception, there is one bubble and that bubble is the Absolute. 

[Breakingthewall]

51 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Although also incorrect, the idea of others outside of you is still a better pointer than the idea that only you exist

You know that the reality in infinite, right? So you are the reality. It's impossible to be otherwise.

 all divisions are apparent, as soon as you rise above the apparent, they collapse into one, into you. This whole game of the spirituality is about this, about being able to get out of the relative and be the absolute, total, without cracks. You're not going to be like this all day obviously, but first sometimes with psychedelics, after you understand the thing and happens sober more and more

[Water by the River]

17 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Who did you have high hopes for again?

Really can't get better than this...

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[CARDOZZO]

@Razard86 How did you realize that Absolute Solipsism is the Absolute Truth?

Contemplation? Psychedelics? Neti Neti? 

[Water by the River]

45 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Absolute Solipsism is absolutely true. Anyone that says different is not awake. Oh well. It is what it is.

But since according to Absolute Solipsism there are no others, there is no other/nobody to say different. Absolute Solipsism proven, Quod erat demonstrandum

Did I make a mistake in my logic? Somebody please help me?

Or do I get my PhD in Circular reasoning right here & now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning#:~:text=Circular reasoning (Latin%3A circulus in,are trying to end with.

Selling Water by the River 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

It's the only Truth. There is only One perspective. There are no other bubbles of perception, there is one bubble and that bubble is the Absolute. 

You know what you are, but have you ever been what you are? You are a millimeter away, touching it, but you have to break even the oneness. At one point, the soap bubble bursts and you are encompassing the whole of existence. Hallelujah because the full glory of infinite existence has manifested. This was what I had forgotten. the fucking prodigal son was wandering in the desert without water with his mouth full of sand for a long time. now he has reached the infinite oasis that is his home

Edited May 24, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Water by the River]

14 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

It's the only Truth. There is only One perspective. There are no other bubbles of perception, there is one bubble and that bubble is the Absolute. 

hey, if we really go fully from the Relative side of the street on the Absolute side of the street, lets do it with style, and leave the little bubble at home:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huineng

Poem contest[edit]

Eight months later, the Fifth Patriarch summoned all his followers and proposed a poem contest for his followers to demonstrate the stage of their understanding of the essence of mind. He decided to pass down his robe and teachings to the winner of the contest, who would become the Sixth Patriarch.[11] Shenxiu, the leading disciple of the Fifth Patriarch, composed a stanza, but did not have the courage to present it to the master. Instead, he wrote his stanza on the south corridor wall to remain anonymous one day at midnight. The other monks saw the stanza and commended it. Shenxiu's stanza is as follows:[13]

The body is the bodhi tree.
The mind is like a bright mirror's stand.
At all times we must strive to polish it
and must not let dust collect.[note 1]

The Patriarch was not satisfied with Shenxiu's stanza, and pointed out that the poem did not show understanding of "[his] own fundamental nature and essence of mind."[11] He gave Shenxiu a chance to submit another poem to demonstrate that he had entered the "gate of enlightenment," so that he could transmit his robe and the Dharma to Shenxiu, but the student's mind was agitated and could not write one more stanza.[11]

Two days later, the illiterate Huineng heard Shenxiu's stanza being chanted by a young attendant at the monastery and inquired about the context of the poem. The attendant explained to him the poem contest and the transmission of the robe and Dharma.[11] Huineng asked to be led to the corridor, where he could also pay homage to the stanza. He asked a low-ranking official named Zhang Riyong from Jiangzhou to read the verse to him, and then immediately asked him to write down a stanza that he composed.[14]

According to McRae, "the earliest version of the Platform Sutra contains two versions of Huineng's verse. Later version contain one version of Huineng's stanza, somewhat different from the two older ones:[15]

Bodhi originally has no tree.
The mirror has no stand.
The Buddha-nature is always clear and pure.
Where is there room for dust?

The followers who were present were astonished by the work of a southern barbarian. Being cautious of Huineng's status, the Patriarch wiped away the stanza and claimed that the author of the stanza had not reached enlightenment.[

Succession of Hongren[edit]

However, on the next day, the Patriarch secretly went to Huineng's room and asked, "Should not a seeker after the Dharma risk his life this way?" Then he asked, "is the rice ready?" Huineng responded that the rice was ready and only waiting to be sieved.[11] The Patriarch secretly explained the Diamond Sutra to Huineng, and when Huineng heard the phrase "one should activate one’s mind so it has no attachment," he was "suddenly and completely enlightened, and understood that all things exist in self-nature."[11]

The Dharma was passed to Huineng at night, when the Patriarch transmitted "the doctrine of sudden enlightenment" as well as his robe and bowl to Huineng. He told Huineng, “You are now the Sixth Patriarch. Take care of yourself, save as many sentient beings as you can, and spread the teachings so they will not be lost in the future.

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[Moksha]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the idea of others is a barrier that does not allow the infinity to manifest as infinite. 

Do you see that the idea of you is equally a barrier?

Yes, the absolute is seamless. It is within and beyond everything. Mystic 101.

The problem with solipsism is that it crumples this realization down to the myopic perspective of the observer. He is unable to see the absolute in everything, only in himself. Everything else in his perception is dismissed as empty illusion. He forgets to dismiss himself while he is at it.

[Moksha]

@Water by the River Saving one sentient solipsist at a time 

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Do you see that the idea of you is equally a barrier?

Yes, the absolute is seamless. It is within and beyond everything. Mystic 101.

 

Any idea is a wall, but the idea of others is a big one because prevents you to become absolute directly. It's a limitator

14 minutes ago, Moksha said:

He is unable to see the absolute in everything, only in himself.

If you really want to see the absolute, you have to become absolute. for that you have to free the mind completely. in my case, i had to use 5 meo as an electroshock machine to do that, but now it is something that sometimes happens spontaneously. another thing is that the absolute shines through all your experience. great beauty and makes life pleasant and allows understanding. but to become completely absolute is the return home. that is what we all are looking for.  

Try one day to meditate focusing in that this moment is the only reality that exist, and outside doesn't exist. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

@Breakingthewall I'm glad to hear that the absolute within your apparent form is beginning to spontaneously realize itself. Has it started to realize the absolute within and beyond other apparent forms yet?

It's a blinding field of light.

[Water by the River]

43 minutes ago, Moksha said:

@Water by the River Saving one sentient solipsist at a time 

Bodhi originally has no tree.
The mirror has no stand.
The Buddha-nature is always clear and pure.
Where is there room for dust?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huineng

updated "Actualized" version:

Bodhi originally has no tree.
The mirror has no stand.
The Buddha-nature is always clear and pure.
Where is there room for dust?
How can one not kill the "Other" of the Solipsist when meeting him on the Road?

 

Koan for Actualized: Does the "Other" of a solipsist have Buddha Nature?

 

I think when I retire I will move to the Absolute Side of the Street. I already know who will be my neighbour.

 

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Basho: “frog pond plop” 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Water by the River