Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[BlessedLion]

I'm starting to feel Leo this forum and community is not a place for serious spirituality

[SunnyCyn]

There is nothing happening here.

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, BlueOak said:

No state is above another. 

Pure Understanding even goes beyond that 

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

I'm starting to feel Leo this forum and community is not a place for serious spirituality

Of course.

You’ve got to look even beyond Leo and the forum and the community 

[BlueOak]

7 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Pure Understanding even goes beyond that 

I am observing myself experiencing the state. I can choose to go into this one or this one. What am I missing?

Edited April 18, 2023 by BlueOak

[Buck Edwards]

Why are people spending so much time on this thread? 

[Moksha]

6 hours ago, BlueOak said:

I am observing myself experiencing the state. I can choose to go into this one or this one. What am I missing?

Even the seer and the seen are part of the dream. The witness and the witnessed dissolve into the absolute.

I asked a while back whether people on 5-Me0 have ever directly realized silence. Is the trip always seeing or creating something, or does the mind entirely stop as the absolute realizes itself free from perceptions, sensations, thoughts, feelings, and experiences? Even the sense of awe, power, and knowledge is a trick of the ego. It is not directly being the absolute.

[Yimpa]

7 hours ago, BlueOak said:

I am observing myself experiencing the state. I can choose to go into this one or this one.

What do you mean you can choose to go into this one or this one? And how do you do that?

[BlueOak]

49 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

What do you mean you can choose to go into this one or this one? And how do you do that?

Certainly. I can choose to go into a happy state at your comment, and feel gratitude that you are speaking to me and giving me your time. Putting my hands together and giving thanks. I can choose to feel that gratitude throughout my entire body and carry it with me. I can choose to get angry with you, laugh, be excited, fearful, or joyful. I put myself in those states by reacting to that part of myself. There is almost always distance between the observer and what is being observed when there is no or little ego identification, then its up to the observer to assign meaning to those states. 

Where I am ego identified for example as a son or family member, or where I choose to be, for example for where I live, or some element of my past. I can feel compulsions the same as anyone else, then I get to choose whether to indulge them as they happen. In this I am choosing the collective identity to influence what my state will be. Even in the most intense moments I have a thought arise that I can now choose to react and pick the way I will do so. Will I be sympathetic me, angry me, defensive me, repentant me, caring me? 

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

Even the seer and the seen are part of the dream. The witness and the witnessed dissolve into the absolute.

I asked a while back whether people on 5-Me0 have ever directly realized silence. Is the trip always seeing or creating something, or does the mind entirely stop as the absolute realizes itself free from perceptions, sensations, thoughts, feelings, and experiences? Even the sense of awe, power, and knowledge is a trick of the ego. It is not directly being the absolute.

Yes. As you go through these processes more dissolves. To answer your question. There is nothing to dissolve in that state. Nothing individualized exists to dissolve because you exist as everything. Once you can be everything. Look at something you hate/dislike/distance in yourself from what i've said, or someone else has said, can you be that too? Can you accept that as part of yourself? The mirror you are seeing/feeling/experiencing?

Because it is you. All of this is. For anyone wanting a fast track. Go find the place you feel most distanced from, the person you feel most repelled from, and accept that as part of yourself. And a warning here, you might feel love, gratitude, joy (cry or relief) or you might feel pain or get hurt in some form, because there might be a good reason you cut yourself off from that aspect of yourself. Maybe accepting the distance or dissolving of that connection is what's needed.

Most of the time my mind is completely silent. I don't have what they call a monkey mind rattling off ideas as I once did. I have conditioning still, I have behaviors, patterns, fears etc. I give that the jargon name the superego but its just a name. The space in your mind is you, it's the soup of every experience dissolved. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by BlueOak

[Yimpa]

16 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Certainly. I can choose to go into a happy state at your comment, and feel gratitude that you are speaking to me and giving me your time. Putting my hands together and giving thanks. I can choose to feel that gratitude throughout my entire body and carry it with me. I can choose to get angry with you, laugh, be excited, fearful, or joyful. I put myself in those states by reacting to that part of myself. There is almost always distance between the observer and what is being observed when there is no or little ego identification, then its up to the observer to assign meaning to those states. 

Where I am ego identified for example as a son or family member, or where I choose to be, for example for where I live, or some element of my past. I can feel compulsions the same as anyone else, then I get to choose whether to indulge them as they happen. In this I am choosing the collective identity to influence what my state will be. Even in the most intense moments I have a thought arise that I can now choose to react and pick the way I will do so. Will I be sympathetic me, angry me, defensive me, repentant me, caring me? 

 

[Leo Gura]

Very few people here are getting what has been communicated.

[Moksha]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

There is nothing to dissolve in that state. Nothing individualized exists to dissolve because you exist as everything. Once you can be everything. Look at something you hate/dislike/distance in yourself from what i've said, or someone else has said, can you be that too? Can you accept that as part of yourself? The mirror you are seeing/feeling/experiencing?

I understand seeing yourself in every phenomenon. What I'm wondering is whether people on psychedelics directly realize the absolute, in utter silence, entirely free from phenomena. Can they simply be without the compulsion to try on another mask, or without commenting on the amazingness of their experience? I've only seen a video of one person on psychedelics, and they weren't silent, but that doesn't mean this doesn't happen.

If realization does happen directly, I see no reason why psychedelics can't also be a gateway to the absolute like other practices. The secret is not seeing, but learning to keep the gate open without requiring external supports. Eventually, every method (psychedelics, meditation, whatever) must be released back into the river once you get to the other side. It's all about integrity.

[Willie]

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[Yimpa]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Very few people here are getting what has been communicated.

That’s better than if those few people stay stuck in ignorance.

Enlighten the commander, and the entire organization will thrive.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura idk

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

I understand seeing yourself in every phenomenon. What I'm wondering is whether people on psychedelics directly realize the absolute, in utter silence, entirely free from phenomena. Can they simply be without the compulsion to try on another mask, or without commenting on the amazingness of their experience? I've only seen a video of one person on psychedelics, and they weren't silent, but that doesn't mean this doesn't happen.

If realization does happen directly, I see no reason why psychedelics can't also be a gateway to the absolute like other practices. The secret is not seeing, but learning to keep the gate open without requiring external supports. Eventually, every method (psychedelics, meditation, whatever) must be released back into the river once you get to the other side. It's all about integrity.

It would depend on many things, how does that person best learn? How do they connect their life together? The amazing experience or fearful nightmare sticks in my mind, stands out to me. Its with me for longer, until I realise the abnormality doesn't matter and learn or see what I was meant to from it. I don't do drugs and when I am receptive to experiences, they can happen in the same way. To realise anything, it takes multiple exposures to it. Masks are just pieces of ourselves I choose to use that day for the role I am doing. Until they are no longer required I can't put them down, I am required to be X to fit Y. 

There is always the want in me to go back to what I know, (or knew to be true) its easier, its comfortable. Only slowly does the old fade away from relevance, and even so I will go back and try to revive it. Over and Over. Until i've seen all I can from it.

@Yimpa

Gratitude.

[Moksha]

3 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Masks are just pieces of ourselves I choose to use that day for the role I am doing. Until they are no longer required I can't put them down, I am required to be X to fit Y. 

Required by whom? You can still be lucid while doing whatever is required. Masks are false identification, always. The finest performance on the cosmic stage requires no mask, no props, and no audience.

[Yimpa]

14 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Required by whom? You can still be lucid while doing whatever is required. Masks are false identification, always. The finest performance on the cosmic stage requires no mask, no props, and no audience.

I would argue that claiming any identification as false is not fundamentally true. Rather, someone’s understanding of Reality can be significantly limited. 

Claiming that people’s experiences are false can actually worsen the narrative they have of themselves. For example, if I convinced myself that my OCD was false, I might as well not get therapy for it or do any therapeutic work to improve my condition.

[Moksha]

3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I would argue that claiming any identification as false is not fundamentally true. Rather, someone’s understanding of Reality can be significantly limited. 

Claiming that people’s experiences are false can actually worsen the narrative they have of themselves. For example, if I convinced myself that my OCD was false, I might as well not get therapy for it or do any therapeutic work to improve my condition.

Not all identifications are equally damning. You need a little identity to remain within the dream, just much less than most people realize.

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

Required by whom? You can still be lucid while doing whatever is required. Masks are false identification, always. The finest performance on the cosmic stage requires no mask, no props, and no audience.

Your Boss. Your Customer. Your Bus driver. Your Pet.  Your Client. Your Patient. Your Friend. Your Social Convention. You. Me. Whatever it is.

We take on a role and do it, depending on the rules that have been set to follow. Then we take off the role.

Further than this. If i had taken on the role of boyfriend better in certain relationships i'd be with a partner. Same with employee. Same with writer, i'd have a series of books out now. Identity is an incredibly useful tool, that's why we created it.

I can't stay in them for very long, but without them, pfft I'm next to useless in modern society. Is modern society an ideal construct no it isn't, but its not for me to tell everyone else that.

Edited April 18, 2023 by BlueOak