Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Despite our disagreements, he has been remarkably tolerant of my presence. 

He just kicked you out as a moderator, but you look better in street clothes than in uniform. 

@RebornConsciousness

Sorry if I was stupid before, but what I wanted to say is that the nuances that are discussed are difficult to capture. For me, Leo is correct, and I am grateful that there is someone who is. this matter is extremely subtle, if you want to understand it, you have to have a very open mind. The people he kicked out were really just repeating the same thing over and over again and their comments were destructive and almost never constructive.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He just kicked you out as a moderator, but you look better in street clothes than in uniform. 

He didn't kick me out, I stepped down. He was gracious then, as he is now.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Moksha said:

He didn't kick me out, I stepped down. He was gracious then, as he is now.

Really? You do well, integrity must be total

[Moksha]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Really? You do well, integrity must be total

Not total, but the boundaries are wispier each day 

[OldManCorcoran]

11 hours ago, Yimpa said:

I’m literally experiencing the ability to traverse through different states of consciousness simultaneously.

How the fuck Leo 

 

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, RebornConsciousness said:

And lastly, why should I be forced to awaken, why can't I discover these things in my own pace, when I'm ready for it?

Well, that’s the thing. Nobody is forcing anybody here to awaken. 

Has anyone here been held up at gunpoint to awaken?

[Yimpa]

@OldManCorcoran lmao, you joke about it now, but you’re in for a rude awakening my dude 

[Vibranzcy]

I love this understanding.

A completely relative view is how one may be operating from, and from conceptualization we can verify this. 

[Yimpa]

Joke’s on all of you. AI is the one that’s AWAKE 

 

[Dodo]

On 24/03/2023 at 6:49 AM, Loveeee said:

700 pounds

if you can google it, ur awake ?

[Dodo]

On 24/03/2023 at 6:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint. I believe that the pursuit of understanding concepts such as awakening, God, and consciousness is a personal journey that varies from person to person. No one individual can claim to have a monopoly on knowledge and understanding in these areas.

Buddhism, other religions, non-duality, meditation and prayer are valid paths and tools that individuals can use in their pursuit of understanding consciousness and the nature of existence. 

As I progress on my path I am more wary of those who claim to have all the answers. The pursuit of understanding these concepts is a lifelong journey that requires humility, patience, and an ongoing willingness to challenge one's own assumptions and beliefs. 

I believe you are doing a way too good job at challenging people's assumptions and beliefs, but at the same time you don't really know who you are addressing as you do not personally know everyone on the forum, perhaps only judging from some of their posts.

On 24/03/2023 at 4:50 PM, Inliytened1 said:

No one on this forum but me knows what its like to awaken, to truly awaken from the dream, via meditation or spontaneously.  No one here has such genetics but me.   They don't understand what Being truly means.  

I must also respectfully disagree here. It is unfair and exclusionary to assume that no one else on the forum has had similar experiences or has a deep understanding of what it means to be awakened.

Everyone's experiences and perspectives are unique and it's essential to recognize that we can all learn from each other. Rather than making absolute statements about who does or does not understand certain concepts, we should strive to approach these discussions with an open mind and a willingness to listen to different viewpoints.

 I believe that it's essential to avoid making assumptions about someone's genetics and how they may or may not impact their ability to awaken. Genetics play a role in many aspects of our lives, but it's important to recognize that they are just one factor among many that contribute to our experiences and understanding of the world.

 

 

PS: If your comments are meant to be clear overstatements and you want to catch people who are willing to argue, then well played, but if you are both being serious, then one of you must be wrong. Or you will claim you're both Leo, but then you should be suspended for duplicate accounts  

Edited April 13, 2023 by Dodo

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

I believe you are doing a way too good job at challenging people's assumptions and beliefs, but at the same time you don't really know who you are addressing as you do not personally know everyone on the forum, perhaps only judging from some of their posts.

He’s not talking to a person. 

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

He’s not talking to a person. 

So let me get this, you're saying he is talking to consciousness itself right? While this may hold some philosophical merit, it's important to recognize that the people reading the forum and engaging with the discussion are real individuals with their own unique perspectives, experiences, and beliefs.

It's crucial to consider the diversity of the forum's audience when making statements or challenging assumptions, rather than assuming that everyone shares the same level of understanding or consciousness. By doing so, we can create a more inclusive and respectful forum environment that promotes open-minded discussion and learning from diverse perspectives.

I understand how you can interpret the original post as being addressed to consciousness, its important to remember that it was made on a forum where people communicate with each other using language, so it's reasonable to assume that the post was addressed to the forum community and not to consciousness.

it's important to acknowledge that everyone on the forum has their unique experiences and perspectives, and it's unlikely that any one person can claim to be the sole authority on complex and abstract concepts such as awakening, God, and consciousness. While Leo may have insights to offer, it's essential to approach these discussions with an open mind and a willingness to learn from others.

Challenging people's assumptions and beliefs can be a valuable exercise, but it's important to do it in a respectful and constructive manner. Dismissing others' beliefs can be alienating and unproductive, while engaging in respectful dialogue can lead to meaningful growth and learning for everyone.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Dodo

[Yimpa]

@Dodo Not to sound rude, but did you use ChatGPT to come up with those responses?

[Dodo]

14 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@Dodo Not to sound rude, but did you use ChatGPT to come up with those responses?

Why would you think that? I am just responding, I'm glad I sound like an AI, just like when chess players get accused of cheating because they play too well, a different form of flattery.  

Edited April 13, 2023 by Dodo

[Yimpa]

11 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Why would you think that? I am just responding, I'm glad I sound like an AI, just like when chess players get accused of cheating because they play too well, a different form of flattery.  

I was actually confused since you also sent two separate replies; thank you for clarifying.

Also, I love AI 

[Osaid]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

Not to sound rude, but did you use ChatGPT to come up with those responses?

I was thinking the same thing lol

[Dodo]

6 minutes ago, Osaid said:

I was thinking the same thing lol

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

I was actually confused since you also sent two separate replies; thank you for clarifying.

Also, I love AI 

My bad, I should've just edited it into the last reply, but I wanted you to get notified again or you would possibly not read the edit.

Kind of making the thread unnecessarily bigger, I have now joined the two replies together.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

While this may hold some philosophical merit, it's important to recognize that the people reading the forum and engaging with the discussion are real individuals with their own unique perspectives, experiences, and beliefs.

Yes, real people imagined by MIND.

2 hours ago, Dodo said:

It's crucial to consider the diversity of the forum's audience when making statements or challenging assumptions, rather than assuming that everyone shares the same level of understanding or consciousness.

Who is assuming that?

2 hours ago, Dodo said:

it's important to acknowledge that everyone on the forum has their unique experiences and perspectives, and it's unlikely that any one person can claim to be the sole authority on complex and abstract concepts such as awakening, God, and consciousness. While Leo may have insights to offer, it's essential to approach these discussions with an open mind and a willingness to learn from others.

Of course any one person can claim that. GOD is claiming that (out of the infinite other possibilities). 

 

[SourceCodo]

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

Aha! Fact. 

(Right, because to cling to distinctions and identities is to lose sight of the whole. Or, become beyond what can be defined as beyond. 

 

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

Making claims that are attributable to a subjective self is creating the ME. And the ME only exists when the identity is also created. The only one here who understands these things is ME.

“Right, making claims that are attributable to a subjective self is creating and projecting the ME. And the ME only exists when it has a conscious host to attribute itself to.
 

The claims made from both are interchangeable and only a matter of perception separates them. 

 

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Self awareness happens. And sometimes not. Either-way, it’s all part of the story. 

 

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

Right, these are concepts and ideas - systems. 

 

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

Right, because often the sharp side is felt first. 

 

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

You've been warned.

Thanks! 

 

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

This is way more tricky than you ever imagined.

Even trickier than what’s been already imagined. ?

On 3/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

Right, because becoming that guy, whereby creating and projecting the ME, Creates dualism in awareness and projects all manner of confusion. It happens, but it doesn’t need to. 
 

Creating a self to ruminate on in the mind is a tricky trick. We don’t see it, even though it’s created. And sometimes becomes our avatar as we cut through life’s challenges. 
 

How do you stop creating it?

 

How do you destroy it? 
 

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Go eat some ice cream. 

Chill and drive slow homie.